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GN[US Open Round 3 - Ming Jiu Jiang (7p) vs Kuo Yin (3p)]PW[Ming Jiu Jiang 7p]PB[Kuo Yin 3p]WR[7p]BR[3p]DT[2008-08-05]EV[US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Garlock]C[jankenpopp: Were yesterday's games finished being transcribed online? or just the results shown?
Faint31k [1d\]: if u want the games just load one of the USGO's demos
KGSPlus [-\]: there are 4 games that were left unfinished... they will continue today
jankenpopp: thank you KGSPlus
addict40 [6k\]: ah
jankenpopp: was everything ok though?
Violence [?\]: Well, they're playing today, so it looks like the gas leak was all sorted out
KGSPlus [-\]: everything is ok today so far
Snaga [1d\]: pro game :O
jankenpopp: so it wasnt a false alarm, it really was a gas leak?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: this game should be really ecxiting
jankenpopp: wow..
Violence [?\]: I'm curious
Laeme [2d?\]: are the results online?
Violence [?\]: Kuo Yin is a young pro.
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i think the xuefen lin is stronger
addict40 [6k\]: does any body now if Eric lui won
Richdad [5d\]: Ming jiu won last night?
addict40 [6k\]: ???
jankenpopp: i think eric's was one of the games left unfinished
Violence [?\]: Eric Lui lost his Open game yesterday and won his ING game
addict40 [6k\]: why??
Tsuijin [1d\]: imo Kuo will play a 4-4 and a 4-3
jankenpopp: oh im sorry, his opponent resigned a bit before, just remembered
Snaga [1d\]: w win
addict40 [6k\]: what is ing game
addict40 [6k\]: ??
kimlongVN [5k?\]: ???
Violence [?\]: the North American ING master's cup is a partially invitational tournament held at 7pm on Congress days.
jankenpopp: the North American Ing Masters..
addict40 [6k\]: is it the final??
Violence [?\]: No
Violence [?\]: this is day 3
DrTenma [1k?\]: who is ahead?
Violence [?\]: White is ahead.
Snaga [1d\]: w
DrTenma [1k?\]: i thought so
Violence [?\]: But it's black's move.
Violence [?\]: http://www.gocongress08.org/pros.php
Snaga [1d\]: w lead by 6,5
Violence [?\]: For those curious about Yin Kuo
EeqMCsq [?\]: but w has 7 .5 points al ready
Snaga [1d\]: lol
Violence [?\]: there is information about him in the link above
DrTenma [1k?\]: then isnt it better w never plays  amove and wins
Faint31k [1d\]: yes
Richdad [5d\]: FengYun became pro after 3 years of play!
Faint31k [1d\]: cool
addict40 [6k\]: how old was he when he started
addict40 [6k\]: ??
EeqMCsq [?\]: feng yun is a girl?
road2hell [5d\]: 37
addict40 [6k\]: it's a joke??
addict40 [6k\]: started go
road2hell [5d\]: what do u think?^^
EeqMCsq [?\]: go look it up ur self
EeqMCsq [?\]: so we dont have to
Snaga [1d\]: when do they start?
TanGeng [1d?\]: what happened in last night's game?
Violence [?\]: There was a gas leak in the building
revival [2d\]: did last nights game finish?
Violence [?\]: no, they'll be finished around 1pm today, I believe
Snaga [1d\]: lol
TanGeng [1d?\]: when is this one starting?
Violence [?\]: Once the players are ready, I guess
TanGeng [1d?\]: btw what time zones's 1pm?
Aldor [1k\]: hello all
jankenpopp: tangeng, most likely it's PST
USGO1 [-\]: the players are in the room now and play should start momentarily (announcements ran long this morning)
jankenpopp: they play kinda early anyways
jankenpopp: im amazed none of the players just doesnt take a nap for the first 30 mins :P
Almdudler [3d\]: pro vs pro lol
Richdad [5d\]: i want to go to us congres
Richdad [5d\]: how open is the US Open?
Vash3G [-\]: anyone can play
Richdad [5d\]: can anyone participate no matter what?
revival [2d\]: i'm pretty sure you have to be 7d AGA to play in the Open section
Vash3G [-\]: yes
Richdad [5d\]: ok, so ill beat ming jiu for the observers
Vash3G [-\]: everyone is paired by rank, but there are close to 400 people playing in the different sections
Richdad [5d\]: ugh..so basically you have to play many tournaments before you are recognized as 7d aga?
Violence [?\]: yea.
revival [2d\]: not many.. but a few yes
yoyoma [1d\]: All ratings are in the same tourny
Violence [?\]: Which chould be just one.
yoyoma [1d\]: but only 7d+ start in the top band/group
Richdad [5d\]: how coul dit be one? unranked players where do they go?
Violence [?\]: Round 3 is usually pretty exciting
revival [2d\]: at your first AGA tournament you provide an estimation of your rank
Almdudler [3d\]: aga 7d is pretty weak tho
yoyoma [1d\]: unranked players declare a rating 
icanfly: GREAT GAME
Violence [?\]: Because players who go 2-0 face people 0-2 a rank above them
Vash3G [-\]: the lowest person in the top band is 6.9d
Violence [?\]: and sometimes you see nice matches
revival [2d\]: aga 7d is weak?
Almdudler [3d\]: jj
Vash3G [-\]: you can find more information on the top band as well as other tournament information: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
Richdad [5d\]: but yoyoma: i declare 7d and then?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to Round 3 of the US Open! We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
revival [2d\]: you declare 7d and if you do well you will mantain it
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
Violence [?\]: Thank you for broadcasting.
yoyoma [1d\]: Richdad:  TD has to approve your decared rating
USGO1 [-\]: The weeklong annual U.S. Go Congress is the biggest event on the North American calendar and features a number of tournaments – including the U.S. Open and North American Ing Masters (NAIM) – as well as lectures and simuls with more than a dozen professionals from the United States, Japan, China and Korea.
USGO1 [-\]: Click here  http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team 
icanfly: no video streaming?
Violence [?\]: Only the Euro Congress vid streams
Gandohar [2k\]: usa is not europe :p
icanfly: europe is tech :P
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;B[cp]C[Email [5k\]: waaaaay
Email [5k\]: first comment ;)
hakky [-\]: MYGOD ITS HAPPENING CLASH OF THE TITANS LIVE
Spirit [?\]: correction: first useless comment ;)
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;W[pd]C[jankenpopp: no one interested in jang bi playing the pro?
jankenpopp: that game is amazingly quiet for kgs
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;B[dc]C[GocchiSama [2k\]: what do you mean
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;W[pq]C[GocchiSama [2k\]: IGS isn't so funny
jankenpopp: jang bi plays on kgs, thought it would be going crazy with speculation :)
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;B[po]C[GocchiSama [2k\]: he his more popular with his nickname gentlerain,most of them doesn't know him by his real name
USGO1 [-\]: Our broadcasting team today: Game Recorders: Chris Garlock (Board 1), Todd Heidenreich (Bd 2); Richard Dolen (Bd 3); Casey Alexander (Bd 4); Matthew Heymering (KGS admin); Steve Colburn (IT/back-up). 
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;W[ep]C[Almdudler [3d\]: does chros garlock have a job besides go?
ryot [14k\]: Why isn't za time going down?
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;B[eo]C[icanfly: the famous Chris Garlock!!!
GocchiSama [2k\]: congrats broadcasting team you're doing a good job
Violence [?\]: Whoa... the second time this position happened
Violence [?\]: and this time Mingjiu is white
USGO1 [-\]: Question: what do you like/not like about video streaming games?
theremin [1k\]: almost same opening on board 2 :)
revival [2d\]: the top two boards are quite similar
revival [2d\]: heh, yes
StarrySky [4k\]: I am scared and I am not even playing 
theremin [1k\]: let see C3 :)
icanfly: c3 
Violence [?\]: I think F5 is better...
Violence [?\]: but it's my personal preference
Richdad [5d\]: if f5, better get sente
icanfly: but Bi Jang Bi did c3 in board 2
Richdad [5d\]: it might be interesting to play p5 now
DrTenma [1k?\]: b ahead
revival [2d\]: w has komi though
Gardener [?\]: W resign ?
DrTenma [1k?\]: 0.5 point 
Violence [?\]: USGO, if I were to watch a video feed, it's good to be able to look at how the players are acting, their demeanor, and it helps convey the general atmosphere of the strong player's room
Singer [10k\]: I don't like video games when they put the camera at two degrees to the board and you can only see the first line of stones
Richdad [5d\]: I dont find any objection to P5
icanfly: the players play like pros!
Javaness [-\]: my what enlightening kibitz
Richdad [5d\]: p5 f4 q6 e3 r5 d11 k16 
Javaness [-\]: will white hane or play C3?
Richdad [5d\]: seems playable
revival [2d\]: my guess is hane
Javaness [-\]: hane upstairs
Richdad [5d\]: my guess is p5 :)
icanfly: video stream if the camera is put right above the board IMHO
Singer [10k\]: Attached to the forehead of the stronger player
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: Richdad wouldnt that result be better for black
joelw [12k\]: I'm betting against tenuki
icanfly: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Introducing the players:
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin  is a 25-year-old 3-dan professional from Beijing. He was Feng Yun 9P’s student in China, before she emigrated to the United States, and she invited him to come teach at her summer youth camp this year. He just graduated from Fudan University, one of the top schools in China, where he studied international relations, with a focus on law. He was the Chinese university champion 2 years ago (2006) and likes reading and sports.
NoodleMike [15k\]: God that makes me feel old
icanfly: he did all that and just 25? good guy
mof [1d?\]: do the amateurs play at the same time as this tournament?
GocchiSama [2k\]: could professional go player can still expect for regular studies?
Slug [2k\]: what?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: how old is black?
icanfly: 25
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: h nvm
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: 25
USGO1 [-\]: Because of the interrupted Ing game last night, five players – including Mingjiu Jiang – will have to finish their games this afternoon after the US Open Round, then play Round 3 of the Ing tonight at 7P EST.
Gardener [?\]: lag or deep thought ?
jankenpopp: usgo1, so they will play back to back?
mof [1d?\]: I think he is thinking
joelw [12k\]: ming plays very slow
USGO1 [-\]: pop quiz: w to play; where?
icanfly: f5 
WithMyMind [5d?\]: F5
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;W[fo]
;B[do]C[Slug [2k\]: f5
mof [1d?\]: yuo could have told him immediately WMM
mof [1d?\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: where now for W?
Violence [?\]: G4
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;W[fp]
;B[dq]C[Violence [?\]: oh?
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;W[np]
;B[qq]C[elohimmeth [2k\]: f4 ??
Violence [?\]: I guess white plans to get head out at f7 soon after this joseki
mitani7: k4
theremin [1k\]: maybe W does not like B f3 ...
icanfly: are they playing this fast?
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;W[qr]C[USGO1 [-\]: yes, this is real-time
TanGeng [1d?\]: that's a Jiang move
Singer [10k\]: Is the ing tournament being broadcasted?
Vash3G [-\]: The NAIM is being broadcast nightly at 7pm PST
kryft [4k\]: TanGeng, What is?
TanGeng [1d?\]: r2
USGO1 [-\]: No live video feed; we're interested if viewers would like it and why
hollywood [3k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: We do live game commentaries every night at 7P EST
kryft [4k\]: TanGeng, How so?-) I mean, it's a standard joseki.
hollywood [3k\]: its more dynamic
Criticface [11k?\]: yes i would LOVE live video feed
Lacrimosa [1k\]: kryft, it's not so popular at the moment
kurosama [2d\]: video feed is nice for commentaries, if the camera is close enough :p
Criticface [11k?\]: just like Baduk TV in Korea
jankenpopp: usgo1, live video feed = greatest invention evar
Lacrimosa [1k\]: passive, some say
azblueeyes [22k\]: cspan for go :)
kryft [4k\]: Lacrimosa, Ah, I see. What is the usual reply then?
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;B[qp]C[azblueeyes [22k\]: people watch Golf in the usa
revival [2d\]: r2 is normal
yoyoma [1d\]: Live game commentary is more valuable than video feed
hollywood [3k\]: jejeje
DrTenma [2d?\]: whats golf?
mof [1d?\]: this is as usual as it can be, no?
icanfly: q8 
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: golf is bad
Lacrimosa [1k\]: i mean o4 is not that popular
hollywood [3k\]: golf it horrible
icanfly: q8 now?
nano1: live video for go games is not necesary
mof [1d?\]: aha
DrTenma [2d?\]: r8
azblueeyes [22k\]: so....go tv
Lacrimosa [1k\]: jeffchang hates it :>
hollywood [3k\]: well i like the video thing
joelw [12k\]: this leaves p3 if w tenuki, r?
icanfly: r8 is bad, q8 is food
Criticface [11k?\]: me too
kryft [4k\]: Lacrimosa, Ah, ok, I thought you were referring to r2. :)
icanfly: good*
Criticface [11k?\]: you can see the intensity on their face
mof [1d?\]: but w is stronger than jeff
mof [1d?\]: I fink
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;W[or]C[mof [1d?\]: more to the point
Lacrimosa [1k\]: kryft, maybe the original guy was :I
mof [1d?\]: maybe o4 works with f4 f5 here?
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;B[ql]C[DrTenma [2d?\]: u see :)
USGO1 [-\]: quiz: w to play; where?
kryft [4k\]: Lacrimosa, What would jeffchang prefer then? A pincer?
Violence [?\]: D15?
DrTenma [2d?\]: d15 only move
revival [2d\]: f7?
elohimmeth [2k\]: f7 first 
silver2k4 [-\]: f7 
joelw [12k\]: c12
guerecon [2k\]: c14
Lacrimosa [1k\]: kryft, or r5, yeah
kurosama [2d\]: usgo do you plan to video stream the games ?
Lacrimosa [1k\]: maybe not here though
silver2k4 [-\]: d4 
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;W[ce]C[USGO1 [-\]: we are considering video-streaming but it's more equipment, work and volunteers
Criticface [11k?\]: he's going to make sure b doesn't build up moyo with joseki i think
jankenpopp: maybe you should start off small usgo1
mof [1d?\]: imo it doesn't give all that much extra
kurosama [2d\]: i see
USGO1 [-\]: Would you prefer video streaming or more games broadcast on KGS, for example?
jankenpopp: maybe just the last round
joelw [12k\]: kgs kgs
Criticface [11k?\]: VIDEOSTREAM!
Singer [10k\]: More broadcast on KGS
Singer [10k\]: Easier to see the game
jankenpopp: we go players are greedy, i would say both
Criticface [11k?\]: one can only concentrate on so many games
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: more broadcast
Singer [10k\]: Better kibitz
icanfly: videostream with camera rightabove the board!!
mof [1d?\]: :)
Singer [10k\]: Video doesn't work properly on my computer :P
keladry [12k?\]: i like seeing both
Hagios [4k\]: USGO: hard to say.  I think it depends on the quality of the videostream.
Criticface [11k?\]: i'd prefer video all the way
USGO1 [-\]: quiz: b to move...
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: but with more games broadcast u can go over all of them at different times
icanfly: d13 
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;B[dg]C[icanfly: haha
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: e15
kurosama [2d\]: usgo : are you talking about more games at the same time or more events broadcasted ?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: !!!
USGO1 [-\]: kudos to icanfly
Criticface [11k?\]: we westerners can't see Baduk TV
Slug [2k\]: wahagt video? is this bfoadcast?
USGO1 [-\]: More boards at Open & Ing
DrTenma [2d?\]: c13 ;)
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: e15 variation eats moyo pretty well
Moribito [8k\]: b17 is ok?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: e15 better
kurosama [2d\]: well i d choose video feed if it includes live commentaries
Yanick [16k\]: I'd sa e15, but he, I'm only 16k
hakky [-\]: I NEEd someone
NoodleMike [15k\]: e15 looked more "normal" to me, too Yanick ;)
kurosama [2d\]: because it s hard to follow to many games at the same time
kurosama [2d\]: +o
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: who among the kibitsers actually knows the e15 joseki?
joelw [12k\]: b13
icanfly: yo
TotoroShan [2d\]: e15 f16 d11 f13 c13 d14 c14 d15 I think
Violence [?\]: E15 is a pretty simple one, isn't it?
revival [2d\]: this is not a contest, it's just people giving opinions
Violence [?\]: There are several vars after D11, though
DrTenma [2d?\]: c13 only move
icanfly: white must consider d5 wall
TotoroShan [2d\]: what are the sequences after c13 ?
DrTenma [2d?\]: :)
kurosama [2d\]: c13 combo with e16 ?
Slug [2k\]: so white is checking all variations of e15 right now to make sure there is no oversight?
Slug [2k\]: what other move is he looking at
kurosama [2d\]: isn t E15 heavy ?
Richdad [5d\]: making a counter pincer looks kind of natural
mof [1d?\]: one joseki for c13 is c13 d14 c14 d15 d12 c16 c11 
Violence [?\]: you can change to the top side with a move like K17
revival [2d\]: double approach would be light
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: e15 variation usually ends up in whte getting the left side
Violence [?\]: but I don't like it
mof [1d?\]: then black moves on the upper
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: thats what hes aiming for
Richdad [5d\]: h17 d15 l17 c16 f7 
kurosama [2d\]: obviously c13 -> d14 can t be good in this situation :p
mof [1d?\]: why not?
TotoroShan [2d\]: cause w will erase the bottom influence mb
kurosama [2d\]: because you would have 1 / a wall facing Q16 white 2 / no real impact on white C15
icanfly: Richdad idea sounds OK
DrTenma [2d?\]: still thinking? is threre live stream?
mof [1d?\]: but that can happen wiht many of the variations after c13
Yanick [16k\]: where is live stream when needed?
icanfly: no live stream yet
USGO1 [-\]: QUIZ: w to play?
Slug [2k\]: e15
kurosama [2d\]: mof -> maybe that means c13 is not an option ?
icanfly: the famous Chris Garlock is asking our opinion about live streaming
revival [2d\]: g16
kehan [1k\]: w plays on top
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;W[ef]C[Mohican [3k\]: tenuki
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;B[ed]C[kurosama [2d\]: what about e14 ?
kurosama [2d\]: ouhouh :p
kehan [1k\]: lol yeah right kurosama
icanfly: what now?
Cassis0 [3d\]: lol e14 looks like a trick
kurosama [2d\]: e13
Monsolith2 [12k\]: how long have you been preparing the sentence kurosama ? :p
Richdad [5d\]: this is rather modern joseki
Richdad [5d\]: w can D12 now
icanfly: e13 right
kurosama [2d\]: d12 really ? don t know that
Richdad [5d\]: e13 looks pushing from behind
Dragonette [6k\]: how does someone figure out D12 anyway?
Dragonette [6k\]: other then "that's the joseki"
kurosama [2d\]: like d12 e13 c13 e12 d11 ?
joelw [12k\]: how about c11, that no good?
Slug [2k\]: i can see it working, never woulda thought of it
joelw [12k\]: *d11
kirigo: what about f16 ?
kehan [1k\]: wd12
Richdad [5d\]: d12 e13 c13 d14 c14 d15 c16 i think joseki goes like that
Violence [?\]: I would've preferred the two space high pince
USGO1 [-\]: QUIZ: W to play
rapit [4k\]: did minjiu jiang win yesterday?
kurosama [2d\]: i see thanks richdad
Slug [2k\]: d12v :)
kehan [1k\]: its not d12? 
Violence [?\]: C17???
kurosama [2d\]: i bet on e13 :)
egemen [-\]: yes he won
USGO1 [-\]: nope
Richdad [5d\]: D11?
joelw [12k\]: c11
Mohican [3k\]: e15? dont think so but maybe?
DrTenma [2d?\]: q2
hollywood [3k\]: d8
revival [2d\]: c13 directly?
USGO1 [-\]: kudos to Mohican
kehan [1k\]: I have no idea then, if not d12 or d14
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;W[ee]C[Mohican [3k\]: hehe
kurosama [2d\]: nice
Gardener [?\]: E15
Richdad [5d\]: looks really suspicious
egemen [-\]: simple ,very proish:)
kehan [1k\]: better shape than d14 i guess
kurosama [2d\]: white plans to attack D13 ?
gorka [2d\]: wow huge match, is it the final ??
USGO1 [-\]: QUIZ: B to play
kurosama [2d\]: c13
kurosama [2d\]: c16 !
Richdad [5d\]: g16
kurosama [2d\]: :p
icanfly: c16 
Mohican [3k\]: f16
revival [2d\]: d10
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;B[gd]C[mof [1d?\]: it is not easy to attack d13
Mohican [3k\]: ahh
mof [1d?\]: given what black has below
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;W[dj]C[gorka [2d\]: is it the finale ?
Fokatukc [7k\]: no
jankenpopp: no..
icanfly: this guys are guessin pro moves!
Panda123 [5k\]: when is the finale
kurosama [2d\]: this is going to be complicated
revival [2d\]: saturday
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to Round 3 of the US Open! We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org 
Panda123 [5k\]: what time LA time?
icanfly: e12 ?
Midorya [2d\]: where r the results after 2 rounds_
jankenpopp: c16
jankenpopp: take the points!
joelw [12k\]: e13
Gardener [?\]: E 11
Dragonette [6k\]: The U.S. Open was a while ago, it's the PGA Tour this week, duh...
Dragonette [6k\]: (ok bad joke, I know)
sente [-\]: I would probably c16
Fokatukc [7k\]: it is 10 am in LA
sente [-\]: and then c8
Panda123 [5k\]: ty
revival [2d\]: i agree with c16
Slug [2k\]: e12
sente [-\]: doesn't seem to be a lot to be gained by running this stone out
clacker [4k\]: is anyone better on Jiu Jiang to win this game?
jankenpopp: e12 is overplay at the moment
USGO1 [-\]: quiz: b to play
Yanick [16k\]: me says c16 too...
icanfly: e12 
Paradize [2k\]: c10
Violence [?\]: E12?
jandrews [1k\]: but C16 lets W fix his weakness pretty easily doesn't it?
jankenpopp: r14 pr c16
kurosama [2d\]: c8 ?
septa [2k\]: d8 ?
rapit [4k\]: how about o17?
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;B[eg]
;W[gf]C[joelw [12k\]: woot
kurosama [2d\]: fight
sente [-\]: alright, shows what I know
jankenpopp: confusing
Panda123 [5k\]: A19 wins the game!
Criticface [11k?\]: now makes e10 weak
Yanick [16k\]: Panda.... >.<
Criticface [11k?\]: b is in better position
joelw [12k\]: e10 or 11
kurosama [2d\]: g15 ? ^^
revival [2d\]: b g11 interesting
slyne [2d\]: f13
jankenpopp: now please tenuki
Slug [2k\]: well septa, if he runs successfully maybe d10 has to run next
Paradize [2k\]: g11 ?!
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;B[gg]C[icanfly: god
Slug [2k\]: err sente
mof [1d?\]: I wonder how common this is
Slug [2k\]: ur names are similar
Snaga [1d\]: i like b
Criticface [11k?\]: w in tough spot
Criticface [11k?\]: go for corner?
Dragonette [6k\]: did Ming Jiu Jiang win yesterday? I forget
]
;W[hf]C[mof [1d?\]: w should just waltz out
Slug [2k\]: f10
Panda123 [5k\]: yes...that is why he is playing today =)
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: if white goes fr the corner now then black will have too big of a moyo
mof [1d?\]: summat like he did
Yanick [16k\]: j13
Hagios [4k\]: He won yesterday.  The games were postponed last night due to an evacuation.
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;B[fj]C[Slug [2k\]: :)
sente [-\]: evacuation?
sente [-\]: fire alarm?
SaladToes [1d\]: smelled gaz
jankenpopp: they should've taken the goban with them :P
Deich [5k\]: all shape moves
Dragonette [6k\]: are the results/pairings listed anywhere?
Hagios [4k\]: Yes, someone smelled natural gas in the building.
sente [-\]: geeze
hollywood [3k\]: he farts
sente [-\]: a room full of nerds, can you be surprised?
wopple [7k?\]: f12?
jankenpopp: lol
mof [1d?\]: where are they playing?
Snaga [1d\]: lol
jankenpopp: portland U i believe
AURELIE46 [2d\]: ^^
Yanick [16k\]: LOL
Richdad [5d\]: very simpmle plan from black
Richdad [5d\]: i think w is not good
Yanick [16k\]: w not looking good here
Deich [5k\]: c7?
joelw [12k\]: c7
Deich [5k\]: whats the correct move here
slyne [2d\]: is there a live of this on internet?
jankenpopp: refuse c7
icanfly: lol
Yanick [16k\]: yes, c7 I think
kurosama [2d\]: j16
USGO1 [-\]: QUIZ: W TO PLAY
jankenpopp: cant play on 4th line..
revival [2d\]: f9?
jankenpopp: c8 ftw
DrTenma [2d?\]: resign
Monsolith2 [12k\]: pass
Gizensha [1d?\]: c7 
Snaga [1d\]: claim win
icanfly: i read "games were postponed last night due to an ejaculation" loool
slyne [2d\]: f8
cwapface [21k?\]: f20
jankenpopp: oh i just cant see..
Yanick [16k\]: icanfly.... XD
DrTenma [2d?\]: undo?
Richdad [5d\]: E8
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: d8
Deich [5k\]: i would feel better with black
Deich [5k\]: iam that wrong about?
zima [3k\]: c7 
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;W[dd]C[kgs1d [1k\]: E8
]
;B[ec]C[Gizensha [1d?\]: ok
Paradize [2k\]: E8 ok
mof [1d?\]: b11?
Gizensha [1d?\]: forcing first
jankenpopp: b10 seems interesting now
presque [5k\]: did ming Jui win yesterday ?
mof [1d?\]: no 13
Astral [2k\]: who won his tournament last year?
mof [1d?\]: I mean :)
]
;W[cc]C[Paradize [2k\]: F11 miai
]
;B[cb]
;W[bc]C[icanfly: ming jiu?
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
icanfly: i never see ming jiu lose
Criticface [11k?\]: now w is stronger. coo
kyuboy [9k\]: he has
jankenpopp: b10 for bothh
Deich [5k\]: one move cant kill d10 right?
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei Ge won '07 US Open
mof [1d?\]: on the upper now
Criticface [11k?\]: right
Astral [2k\]: ok thx
revival [2d\]: this makes sense now... the left side is small because it is open
icanfly: K16 now
icanfly: i feel w is better
Deich [5k\]: revival. why not attacking d10 in sente?
Yoseki [3k\]: b/c its not sente lol
kyuboy [9k\]: he can tenuki if he wants
Slug [2k\]: why he said
Deich [5k\]: but w cant loose d10
slyne [2d\]: first build then attack
Monsolith2 [12k\]: d10 is only waiting to be attacked
Deich [5k\]: ist soo big isnt it?
TanGeng [1d?\]: white can slide at b13
Gizensha [1d?\]: one stone
WithMyMind [5d?\]: As long as white has B13 everything is ok
nicaman [1d\]: b c14 now?
malyn [7k\]: d10 wont be lost at this moment for nothing.
Paradize [2k\]: B13 B12 C12
Gizensha [1d?\]: and big points on the board
TanGeng [1d?\]: and the come from the top at f7
revival [2d\]: w has many ways to help d10 at the momenth
TanGeng [1d?\]: so d10 is small
revival [2d\]: so d10 is small, yes
hollywood [3k\]: f7?
kurosama [2d\]: k17 ?
Yoseki [3k\]: we kyus have to learn from this :+}
TanGeng [1d?\]: reductions
Deich [5k\]: indeed
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: good luck
player3 [2k\]: but b will try to get maximum from attack on it
Slug [2k\]: the single stone at d10 is not big, its the fact that the area if invadable even without it there
revival [2d\]: b j16 now
TanGeng [1d?\]: d10 right now is so light that white can afford to throw it away
joelw [12k\]: f6
Deich [5k\]: o56?
Deich [5k\]: o6*
malyn [7k\]: white looks good
Gardener [?\]: never throw your stones away
Paradize [2k\]: d10 is like bubble gum on the board say wisdom
TanGeng [1d?\]: never?
Gardener [?\]: only at an opponent
Yoseki [3k\]: never eat stones either
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
Deich [5k\]: o6 pls
mof [1d?\]: I've done that plenty of times, can't even finish a game any longer with one set
Yoseki [3k\]: unless you're a hen
TanGeng [1d?\]: o6?
TanGeng [1d?\]: hmmm
icanfly: k16 
TanGeng [1d?\]: not sure what o6 does
Yanick [16k\]: i know what it does
Deich [5k\]: its for both moyos
kyuboy [9k\]: k3 soon?
Yoseki [3k\]: o6 grows the overconcentrated area
Yanick [16k\]: it puts a stone on the goban
kyuboy [9k\]: k3?
joelw [12k\]: o6 gets a tenuki
player3 [2k\]: o6 make sence only after r14
Yoseki [3k\]: it induces White to grow the ig bottom
Deich [5k\]: i dont like k3
kyuboy [9k\]: :o y
TanGeng [1d?\]: o6 might be good for white
kurosama [2d\]: shouldn t black play on the north side ?
kyuboy [9k\]: i sunno
Deich [5k\]: thats why its kinda good for b as well, right?
revival [2d\]: j16 seems best
kyuboy [9k\]: dunno*
Bierce [1d\]: j16 or something arround e8 i would say
player3 [2k\]: is e8 good
Yoseki [3k\]: J16? why so close
mof [1d?\]: e8 is too small I think
mof [1d?\]: you have to defend against b13
mof [1d?\]: but what do I know
kurosama [2d\]: j16 makes white 17 good ?
Farouche [-\]: don't think E8 would really help
Bierce [1d\]: k16 looks weak
revival [2d\]: i think k16 is too far.. w could just play j17
joelw [12k\]: e8 doesn't look good to me, will make d10 scramble for life, prob lose points
TanGeng [1d?\]: but white needs another stone in there to make that moyo effective
Paradize [2k\]: e isn t good because White take the sens of the game
Gizensha [1d?\]: e8 does nothing about b13 
Paradize [2k\]: he can push on Black wall after
Yoseki [3k\]: W bottom pretty open too no use for O6
kyuboy [9k\]: time?
Farouche [-\]: K3 is nothing atm
TanGeng [1d?\]: white needs e2
Gizensha [1d?\]: enough at this stage :)
Farouche [-\]: I mean the area
player3 [2k\]: then c12 
Yanick [16k\]: c12 or b13?
revival [2d\]: top seems urgent
kurosama [2d\]: yes
Paradize [2k\]: R14
player3 [2k\]: k17 ?
Deich [5k\]: r17 :)
IIamamiIk [4k\]: b is strong enough i think, maybe approach at o17 first?
purpose [3k\]: what about a simple n17
Gardener [?\]: K4
revival [2d\]: those would both be met with pincers i would think
Deich [5k\]: san san:) come on^
Panda123 [5k\]: n17 is not very simple
Paradize [2k\]: O17 or R14 i bet on R14
Yoseki [3k\]: tengen!!!!
Gizensha [1d?\]: would like to aproach q16 but w attack on g16 would be painfull
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;B[jc]C[player3 [2k\]: oh
Paradize [2k\]: -_-
kurosama [2d\]: hehehe :p
Deich [5k\]: woo here we go finally
kurosama [2d\]: i was right :p
mof [1d?\]: I don't think r14 is good for black there
Yanick [16k\]: yes, tengen would most definitely help get the top
mof [1d?\]: since r8 is so low
Gizensha [1d?\]: so defense :)
Deich [5k\]: tengen is bad
mof [1d?\]: w can always press down
purpose [3k\]: for some reason I was thinking about a w move - . -
mof [1d?\]: around k17 is natural to me
kyuboy [9k\]: -_-
kurosama [2d\]: how to handle d10 ?
nd4ever [5k\]: o17?
player3 [2k\]: prepear for attack q16 
Gardener [?\]: yawn
jankenpopp: d10, too strong, must weaken!
DrTenma [2d?\]: f
revival [2d\]: r10, r11, r12?
USGO1 [-\]: to see a photo of the players in this game, check out our homepage at www.usgo.org
Deich [5k\]: o17 looks wrong. i leanrd this 4-4 "shimaris" a most often bad
Paradize [2k\]: k17 is a bit defensive
jankenpopp: problem probably is, he cant approach at o17
jankenpopp: and if white plays k17, black wil have trouble
jankenpopp: seems good
Monsolith2 [12k\]: why are 4-4 shimaris bad
mof [1d?\]: they are not
Deich [5k\]: w still would have r16 or around
player3 [2k\]: may be k4 ?
Deich [5k\]: ok not bad: but usually not urgent
USGO1 [-\]: quiz: w to move
DeepTuna [2k\]: You see em all the time in pro games, Monsolith
revival [2d\]: R10
DrTenma [2d?\]: can u make a photo for every move?
Panda123 [5k\]: whats the time on them right now?
kurosama [2d\]: f7 ?
joelw [12k\]: e2
nd4ever [5k\]: r10 too close?
Yanick [16k\]: k13
icanfly: d8 
Snaga [1d\]: k4 
player3 [2k\]: r13 
Monsolith2 [12k\]: yes i've been following the tournaments lately tuna
jankenpopp: f12
USGO1 [-\]: both players have 90 min left
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;W[fm]C[Panda123 [5k\]: ty
mof [1d?\]: think this is good
kurosama [2d\]: :)
Deich [5k\]: now o6 becomes huge
mof [1d?\]: if w is alive and well in ul
Deich [5k\]: for w:)
Violence [?\]: No...
Violence [?\]: O6 is not huge
Snaga [1d\]: good move
mof [1d?\]: then he wants to try to do something with d10
mof [1d?\]: and also
kyuboy [9k\]: he wants sente
Violence [?\]: Because black played R8
kehan [1k\]: r11 is huge
kyuboy [9k\]: while building moyo
mof [1d?\]: it is mroe difficutl for black to move on the lower
kehan [1k\]: r10
revival [2d\]: b r14 seems big
Farouche [-\]: R11 is too huge lol. Too near to black
kurosama [2d\]: d10 is soo light
kyuboy [9k\]: ??
Violence [?\]: black can eat D10
Violence [?\]: but it won't be delicious
kyuboy [9k\]: :0
Yanick [16k\]: O6... I like N6 better
Farouche [-\]: lol
Farouche [-\]: bitter aftertaste ;)
mof [1d?\]: how old is w btw?
joelw [12k\]: c8
nd4ever [5k\]: looks interesting if tenuki here
Deich [5k\]: sansan
jankenpopp: tenuki is tempting
kurosama [2d\]: old enough so you don t ask for his age :p
jankenpopp: is black e13 ok though?
mof [1d?\]: :)
Yoseki [3k\]: F7 nice multipurpose move
revival [2d\]: hmm
Paradize [2k\]: is B can do territory
nd4ever [5k\]: sth like l4?
Paradize [2k\]: good option no ?.
player3 [2k\]: w aiming moyo
Yoseki [3k\]: B should worry about his center group
mwanek [1k\]: i feel like an approach on q16 is a good option..
Paradize [2k\]: large 
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: mingjiu is around 55
Chefsalat [3d\]: and so strong already!
mof [1d?\]: :)
Yanick [16k\]: who's ahead, w looks ahead right now, but I can't really tell
jankenpopp: fine everyone go b10!
Paradize [2k\]: potential looks in W favor while territory could be black
beowulf07 [1d\]: F2?
]
;B[fr]C[kurosama [2d\]: i agree
Paradize [2k\]: ^^
DrTenma [2d?\]: w, 0.5 ahead
icanfly: h10 hehe
t0Strong4u [-\]: pretty big
revival [2d\]: wow i never would have thought f2
nouziller [2k\]: this is cool
kvartaali [4k\]: imo b is a bit ahead
Yanick [16k\]: me neither, not that is saying something
icanfly: w h10 for fun
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: its a bit early to be counting points
zima [3k\]: d7 
kurosama [2d\]: counting only territory black is ahead
Gardener [?\]: no fun in this game
Richdad [5d\]: the deal with f2 is that w has a yosumi at D4 that really compromises black
Richdad [5d\]: without f2, if black asnwets at c3, w has a lot of aji at c3
mof [1d?\]: ah you sue me?
Richdad [5d\]: for a squeeze
mof [1d?\]: ok
Richdad [5d\]: if black plays c5, w then can c3 and close of bottom in sente
DeepTuna [2k\]: F2 nice
Yanick [16k\]: would b just respond to that with b3 @ Richdad
Deich [5k\]: b3?? what??
joelw [12k\]: not likely
beowulf07 [1d\]: d3, c3?
Fokatukc [7k\]: d3 ?
joelw [12k\]: d4 b4 mebbe, but b3, unlikely
Gardener [?\]: W d4 then B b 4
beowulf07 [1d\]: d4
kurosama [2d\]: d4 b3 is correct to me
Fokatukc [7k\]: d4 b3 works
kurosama [2d\]: another threat with this shape is C6 right ?
Deich [5k\]: me weak kyu do prefer b still
hakky [-\]: aHHHH
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;W[gr]C[Yanick [16k\]: me weaker kyu, I prefer w
Panda123 [5k\]: g2!!!!
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: g3 makes wd4 really deadly
Almdudler [3d\]: g2 overplay
Almdudler [3d\]: g3!!
USGO1 [-\]: This move went down very definitively
Paradize [2k\]: lol
revival [2d\]: heh
kurosama [2d\]: hehe
joelw [12k\]: so u can bluff in go, too?
Paradize [2k\]: thks for explain it before
Panda123 [5k\]: white got a secet hikaru-no-go plan.
Deich [5k\]: thx USGO1 :)
Yanick [16k\]: ofcourse you can joelw
JamPet [16k\]: Theres no game in the world you can't bluff in
kurosama [2d\]: means "you ll regret f10" :p
malyn [7k\]: g2 looks strange
Deich [5k\]: good to know those details^
Panda123 [5k\]: obviously according to USGO Ming played the "hand of god" move
DeepTuna [2k\]: Anything besides G3 would seem passive to me
Slug [2k\]: calm children
unknown22: KAMI NO ITTE
revival [2d\]: b should just e2
joelw [12k\]: gotta play g3 and let the stones fall where they may
Panda123 [5k\]: richdad do u take go lessons very often?
Yanick [16k\]: some guys have watched hikaru no go one time too much...
hakky [-\]: can we leave the hikaru talk in the gei corner
Monsolith2 [12k\]: JamPet you cant really bluff in tic tac toe
JamPet [16k\]: ...I guess that you have me there
joelw [12k\]: you can't bluff in jeopardy
Sotham [1d\]: you can, you've never seen me draw a circle.
Highwayman [1k\]: after g3 black group D5 become quite weak
Deich [5k\]: e2 is nice! ineed
jandrews [1k\]: you can bluff in tic-tac-toe if you're playing a 6 year old.
Yanick [16k\]: I bet you can, but I'm not familiar with tic tactoe
wopple [7k?\]: can't bluff in war the card game
Fokatukc [7k\]: i can
Yanick [16k\]: you can even bluff in card games
Yanick [16k\]: like duh
papalouw [3d\]: g3 or tenuki
DeepTuna [2k\]: Yes, but White's influence on bottom would be ruined
kurosama [2d\]: how can f2 be a mistake...
DeepTuna [2k\]: f2 looks good
JamPet [16k\]: This game to undeveloped for anyone to have any serious influence yet
nd4ever [5k\]: f2 is alright
kurosama [2d\]: then only move is g3
kukulis4 [2d\]: localy f2 is ok, but must looks whole board
Bierce [1d\]: i don`t understand g2
kukulis4 [2d\]: look*
hzutjc: 16k is too undeveloped to have any serious insight yet
DeepTuna [2k\]: F2 was aiming for blocking off D10 stone?
nd4ever [5k\]: but if b e2 , w might tenuki
kukulis4 [2d\]: after black G3, white play H2
kurosama [2d\]: depends on who we ll be able to play w c6 or b d8
]
;B[gq]C[Paradize [2k\]: not good
]
(;W[fq]C[HowToLose [5k\]: =O
beowulf07 [1d\]: yeah
]
;B[hr]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: sorry :)
joelw [12k\]: g2 must be w saying "I'll let u into the bottom, but I'm going to attack  d3 stones in exchange
DeepTuna [2k\]: yeah
malyn [7k\]: shoulbe be proved wrong.
Paradize [2k\]: Black is hungry
])
(;W[er]C[DeepTuna [2k\]: what the?
]
;B[hr]C[Yanick [16k\]: ?
]
;W[eq]C[TotoroShan [2d\]: ah
t0Strong4u [-\]: lol
kurosama [2d\]: hehe
kukulis4 [2d\]: can duh
nd4ever [5k\]: - -
JamPet [16k\]: USGO make a typo?
kukulis4 [2d\]: is this undo or just imput mistake ?
thelaurat: come who record the game
jankenpopp: joel, g2 is asking black to make the choice
revival [2d\]: i dont see how this is good at all for black
nd4ever [5k\]: USGO player what he thought?
thelaurat: f3 impossible move!
revival [2d\]: g3 seems like a mistake
thelaurat: some 20 kyu
nd4ever [5k\]: played*
kurosama [2d\]: c8 ?
DeepTuna [2k\]: low ponnuki
thelaurat: g3 good move
Yanick [16k\]: USGO, your fault or?
thelaurat: fighting spirit
DrTenma [2d?\]: w has initiative
Monsolith2 [12k\]: joke ithink
setake [10k\]: anyone know what happened last night???
revival [2d\]: b is too weak in the center for this fight
thelaurat: horrible weak recorder
joelw [12k\]: the one lost
jankenpopp: setake , evacuation
setake [10k\]: why?
jankenpopp: gas leak or something
joelw [12k\]: lui or whatever his name is
DeepTuna [2k\]: Suspicion of a gas leak in the playing area
setake [10k\]: gah
icanfly: haha
setake [10k\]: i was in suspense
Deich [5k\]: who does like w?
setake [10k\]: who won?
Deich [5k\]: i still prefer b
jankenpopp: joel, ericlui won by resignation..
joelw [12k\]: a pro
setake [10k\]: nice
beowulf07 [1d\]: c2 for corner?
joelw [12k\]: huh?
setake [10k\]: i thought he would win
joelw [12k\]: I saw that game, he lost
Yanick [16k\]: me prefers b again, a while ago it was w, but now b
Thelookout [7d?\]: e8
joelw [12k\]: unless I remember wrong
malyn [7k\]: d7
Violence [?\]: janken, he's referring to yesterday's open game against Mingjiu
nd4ever [5k\]: e8 seems better than d7
Violence [?\]: Eric lost by 4.5
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be black d2 is ok ?
]
;B[dm]C[Batavia [5k\]: i prefer the winning collor
jankenpopp: ah i see
]
;W[iq]C[setake [10k\]: how strong is a 3p in dan terms?
]
;B[ir]C[wopple [7k?\]: did they take a move back?
jankenpopp: thought he meant the naim
]
;W[jq]C[Thelookout [7d?\]: )
]
;B[jr]
;W[kq]
;B[kr]C[beowulf07 [1d\]: .
Violence [?\]: setake, you can't compare pro and amateur ranks
]
;W[lr]
;B[hq]C[Yanick [16k\]: he's crawling...
setake [10k\]: oh
]
;W[el]C[gentil [6d\]: they are blitzing ?
DeepTuna [2k\]: lol
JamPet [16k\]: Fast!
DeepTuna [2k\]: arms and stones flying
Sotham [1d\]: I wonder how many people will ask this question
kurosama [2d\]: cut :p
setake [10k\]: well how many stones would it be to say... a 6d.
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, folks, these went down really fast!
joelw [12k\]: h5
DeepTuna [2k\]: lol
Slug [2k\]: are they angry?
DrTenma [2d?\]: no, hungry
USGO1 [-\]: no, not at all
Violence [?\]: Depends on the 3p. Are you talking Alexandre Dinerchtein 3p/Janice Kim 3p? Or Han Sanghoon3p?
JamPet [16k\]: Dan goes up to 9d, then the next step up is 1p, but the two chains aren't related really
DeepTuna [2k\]: They skipped lunch for some last minute study
Spirit [?\]: I wondering why black didn't atari at c16...
nd4ever [5k\]: seems they sure or they can predict the moves
revival [2d\]: w can kill the bottom soon
joelw [12k\]: mebbe actually h9 first
gentil [6d\]: like kungfu :  fighters observs during hours and suddendly attack fast :)
Sotham [1d\]: Jampet, that's false
wopple [7k?\]: did white take a move back? I didn't think that was allowed
kukulis4 [2d\]: amateur Dan goes to 6d
JamPet [16k\]: Is it?
Sotham [1d\]: The next step after 9d isn't 1p
DrTenma [2d?\]: many korean inseis stronger than "3p"
JamPet [16k\]: What is?
Sotham [1d\]: There's no next step
TotoroShan [2d\]: how revival ?
Violence [?\]: depends on the 3p, Tenma
JamPet [16k\]: Always a next step buddy
DrTenma [2d?\]: europeans
hakky [-\]: problem is
Violence [?\]: JamPet, say you're 25 and 9d. You can't go any higher.
hakky [-\]: mingjiu is so old, he cant think straight
DeepTuna [2k\]: Jam: An amateur must actually be admitted as a professional in some organization to achieve a professional rank
Monsolith2 [12k\]: amas beat pros sometimes too
revival [2d\]: wouldnt g1 kill the bottom if the outside was strong?
Yanick [16k\]: Amateur indeed goes up to 6d, except for the 7d title
freeks [-\]: ?
Violence [?\]: g1 h1, revival...
Sotham [1d\]: Moreover, amas are playing for fun, pros for money
revival [2d\]: hmm
nd4ever [5k\]: now white seems better
Firzen [3d\]: there is 8d titles as well for winners of the WAGC
joelw [12k\]: dont need to be a professional rank if u play against and beat professionals regularly.  You'll be recognized regardless
revival [2d\]: yes that was dumb
beowulf07 [1d\]: o6?
jankenpopp: h5 first?
Deich [5k\]: k5
Violence [?\]: since E1 is basically sente here, I think black's corner here will be small
Hagios [4k\]: Wouldn't expanding along the right side be worth more than o6?  A W play at o6 isn't too huge because of h5, I think
Sigilus [19k\]: Ah, another Ming Jiu game :)
change [8k\]: f6?
DrTenma [2d?\]: w clearly better
AurelienC [3d\]: game clearly not finish
kurosama [2d\]: in fact, mingjiu found an incredible way to use his D10 weak stone
Chefsalat [3d\]: b will have to reinforce f10
ManWithHat [3k\]: yes
Monsolith2 [12k\]: he moved it to c10 without anyone noticing
JamPet [16k\]: K14 looks strong to me for black
BonoVox [3k\]: h13?
joelw [12k\]: b could try to cut these stones I suppose
JamPet [16k\]: It takes a step into the largest are of potential points
kurosama [2d\]: black d11 now ?
Deich [5k\]: o6
hakky [-\]: lift your leg up
HowToLose [5k\]: e9 looks perfectly reasonable
Deich [5k\]: o6 or k5
hakky [-\]: Look baby i am a heartbreakerrr
JamPet [16k\]: e9 does look pretty good now you mention it, it'd splinter a few stones from linking up
hakky [-\]: i am soosososo sorryy
joelw [12k\]: ok, I'm thinking now j10 instead of h9
Chefsalat [3d\]: e9 bad
Deich [5k\]: how captain would attack? ::))
JamPet [16k\]: Why so?
]
;B[ck]C[hakky [-\]: g-1
Deich [5k\]: cause i like his ideas^
Yanick [16k\]: oeh attack
Yanick [16k\]: D9?
beowulf07 [1d\]: g1 h1
]
;W[dk]C[Yanick [16k\]: ah
Swordfish7 [5d\]: black looks better so far
Yanick [16k\]: me was right
Swordfish7 [5d\]: seems whites moyo went down too easy
jankenpopp: i want to see how black plays f10 / e13 group
]
;B[df]
;W[de]C[Ukasuhs [1k?\]: how much time left on their clocks?
]
;B[cj]C[Violence [?\]: I don't think white's intention was to make a moyo
Paradize [2k\]: Black looks better ... I saw this game close fast
kryft [4k\]: White doesn't have much in the way of territory
joelw [12k\]: this is kinda nice
Swordfish7 [5d\]: well given f2 black disagrees with you
Criticface [11k?\]: sadness for white
hakky [-\]: next thing she is wearing my rolex
]
;W[ci]
;B[bi]C[Richdad [5d\]: b looks better no doubt
Richdad [5d\]: where are ws points?
Snaga [1d\]: cant see them
Swordfish7 [5d\]: yeah o2 area is sad
Yanick [16k\]: b certainly does look better
hakky [-\]: its not about looks richdad
Deich [5k\]: by attacking g13
road2hell [5d\]: in his dreams
makoregevr [2d\]: b pwned w
Paradize [2k\]: lawl look at D13 group, shape isn t heavy ?
]
;W[bh]C[Yanick [16k\]: well, O2 area are his only points...
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: USGO1, how much time do each of them have left?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: if black connects here i think he has a smooth ride
]
;B[ch]
;W[di]C[Yanick [16k\]: c12
]
;B[bg]C[Yanick [16k\]: too late
unknown22: game over
JamPet [16k\]: Black looking fine
hakky [-\]: Alllll i want do to is tell i love you
Richdad [5d\]: this sequence makes now w weak
Richdad [5d\]: e15 now alive now
hakky [-\]: b10 
hakky [-\]: c8 b8 
hakky [-\]: for w
hakky [-\]: is not gonna happen 
joelw [12k\]: w must be planning on attacking corner w/this
Deich [5k\]: looks like w can resign^
Yanick [16k\]: but w still has bit mojo in right upper corner
Deich [5k\]: but hes 7p!!
HowToLose [5k\]: did mingjiu jang win yesterday?
Violence [?\]: I don't think white is down just yet
Deich [5k\]: pro magic now pls!!
Violence [?\]: Yes, he did
HowToLose [5k\]: thx
HowToLose [5k\]: still undefeated, then
]
;W[bj]C[ToughNerd [12k\]: by 4.5 points
joelw [12k\]: c8
Swordfish7 [5d\]: upper right corner is stone not moyo
]
;B[ah]C[hakky [-\]: yeah mingjiu got lucky yesterday
]
;W[cl]C[Yanick [16k\]: the fight for the middle hasn't even started yet
Violence [?\]: b9 b8 a10 c6 ?
kurosama [2d\]: gote ?
]
;B[bk]C[nd4ever [5k\]: d8
]
;W[bl]C[Panda123 [5k\]: well this is shorter then those mejin games. 
]
;B[aj]C[hollywood [3k\]: b looks good?
Farouche [-\]: no
]
;W[dl]C[hollywood [3k\]: ok
Richdad [5d\]: maybe c2 violence?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: c2
Chefsalat [3d\]: up to here i played exactly this game last week and won as white, so i think white is doing fine
Violence [?\]: Ahh,.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: c22222222222222222222222222222
revival [2d\]: lol
Richdad [5d\]: b ends with a very small corner though
fakemeba [3d\]: black is losing
hakky [-\]:  is b11 alive ?
]
;B[bn]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: black is ok he has 5 pts at j1
Snaga [1d\]: ;O
HowToLose [5k\]: yes it is
Monsolith2 [12k\]: c22222222222222222222222222222 is far off goban
kurosama [2d\]: save ko ?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: hmm now white c2 makes trouble
Violence [?\]: B2?
schwingg: no
hakky [-\]: b-5 tesuji
kurosama [2d\]: b3
hakky [-\]: backstab tesuji
revival [2d\]: b3
Deich [5k\]: hakky rubbish tesuji
hakky [-\]: b-5 first
Richdad [5d\]: in any case, if b livs corner
malyn [7k\]: somewhere uppper
Richdad [5d\]: w needs to h5
alienist [5k\]: tenuki
kurosama [2d\]: yeah b3 is obvious
Paradize [2k\]: B won
Richdad [5d\]: else the wall becomes a weak group
Violence [?\]: yes...
malyn [7k\]: h14 need some development now
Richdad [5d\]: so w attacks corner in sente, then h5
malyn [7k\]: corner shouldnt play at this moment.
USGO1 [-\]: Watch the top 4 boards LIVE on KGS now. Up to date photos and all congress updates on http:///www.usgo.org 
Violence [?\]: you should play this corner
Richdad [5d\]: then black r14, o16 Q11
theripper [2d\]: e1 attacks j2
malyn [7k\]: no
malyn [7k\]: waiting ko threats.
malyn [7k\]: waisting
hakky [-\]: b-5 come on
Richdad [5d\]: careful ripper
Richdad [5d\]: black can run out at h5
Violence [?\]: sente endgame, malyn
Paradize [2k\]: B has four group alive and one in danger while White has three group not connected
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is definitely looking at the lower left corner; almost played there just now
theripper [2d\]: sure richdad
Laeme [2d?\]: E1 would make h5 sente (and vice-versa)
Richdad [5d\]: w would need another gote move to take the yes
hakky [-\]: USGO1 omg thats ecxiting
Richdad [5d\]: then b again aoutside
theripper [2d\]: but still one eye
joelw [12k\]: b2
hakky [-\]: usgo1, he was looking at b-5 ?
kurosama [2d\]: if b3 does not work, white is far behind i guess
joelw [12k\]: or e1
HowToLose [5k\]: USGO, what is your vantage point? next to the board?
revival [2d\]: b3 seems to gives b lots of problems
hakky [-\]: b-5 come one
Snaga [1d\]: http://www.usgo.org
jankenpopp: haha all the transcribers must have quiet typing
Dumed [12k\]: nah
Dumed [12k\]: pro
jankenpopp: or else all you hear is click click clack
]
;W[cr]C[profi [1k\]: r13 
hakky [-\]: c-2 omg we got punkd
KlasSs [?\]: b3
hakky [-\]: he wants to ko j-2
hakky [-\]: that noob
Dumed [12k\]: when you're as concentrated on the board as most of these players are you dont even notice the clicking
]
;B[bq]
;W[br]
;B[bo]C[jankenpopp: course not, but it still matters :)
HowToLose [5k\]: hehe I can't play without some sort of sound or music
Dumed [12k\]: same
HowToLose [5k\]: I'd probably be worse if there WASN'T clicking
GoNoGo [2d?\]: We are conditioned to the click.
Dumed [12k\]: i always listen to music when i play
GoNoGo [2d?\]: When the click is gone, we are like confused dogs.
Snaga [1d\]: me too but i dont even hear the music
GoNoGo [2d?\]: Our go is literally Gone.
Paradize [2k\]: B7
HowToLose [5k\]: currently, I've got the Cavaliers drum and bugle corp's 2002 show on WMP
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
DrTenma [2d?\]: m17
jankenpopp: dont think they allow music in these games
kukulis4 [2d\]: black lives small, but where is white's points ?
wopple [7k?\]: white even made a couple points!
jankenpopp: white lived in sente?
manestor [7k\]: not a lot...
HowToLose [5k\]: c3?
GoNoGo [2d?\]: However I do not recommend wearing a full white ghost costume with a pointed ghost mask in chicago while playing go...people are violent.
]
;W[qj]C[fakemeba [3d\]: h5
Paradize [2k\]: B7 sente i think
jankenpopp: c3 then h5?
jankenpopp: aw
Majismo [3d?\]: yeah- me neather: just cant listen to musik without playing a little game of go..
HowToLose [5k\]: lol GoNoGo
joelw [12k\]: here come some w points
HowToLose [5k\]: d15 looks lonely
manestor [7k\]: and it's gonna be hard to turn w's bottom's thickness into territory because of d15  weak group
KlasSs [?\]: p8
kukulis4 [2d\]: R10 doesnt make points, just influence
GoNoGo [2d?\]: white r17
Uberdude [2d\]: f7 is not alive yet
GoNoGo [2d?\]: b p15
joelw [12k\]: ya, i understand, but it's a statement saying "if u dont stop me, I'll make a big right"
USGO1 [-\]: This one also went down with an authoritative smack
Paradize [2k\]: that looks critical for White
kukulis4 [2d\]: can black cut at F6 ?
guerecon [2k\]: d15 is not weak
GoNoGo [2d?\]: white r17, bp15, w o15 is crucial to the games outcome.
GoNoGo [2d?\]: imo.
manestor [7k\]: influence in on the fourth line
nd4ever [5k\]: is b f6 ,w e6?
Chefsalat [3d\]: i think d15 weak :)
HowToLose [5k\]: f6 e6 g6 d6 c7 c6 b7 e7 a4 h7?
kryft [4k\]: manestor, That's an oversimplification. :)
HowToLose [5k\]: or f6 g6 e6 g7 g8 h7 h8 h6?
GoNoGo [2d?\]: is it kryft
GoNoGo [2d?\]: IS it?
hakky [-\]: dark beats
hakky [-\]: i am addicted to drums
kukulis4 [2d\]: stone fourth line mainly does influence to center, and stone on third line - influence on side
Uberdude [2d\]: this stone attaqcks b group
joelw [12k\]: o17 looks tempting
]
;B[qf]C[kryft [4k\]: Right, and this creates influence along the side rather than solid territory
nickwasy [12k\]: influence on side~territory, right?
Violence [?\]: whoa
GoNoGo [2d?\]: its all territory nickwasy
Violence [?\]: looks like black doesn't have such favorable consciousness
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin has stepped away for more water
Uberdude [2d\]: what cvountry is b fgrom?
Yanick [16k\]: o17
]
;W[qe]C[HowToLose [5k\]: you mean they don't get it borught to them?
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin  is a 25-year-old 3-dan professional from Beijing. He was Feng Yun 9P’s student in China, before she emigrated to the United States, and she invited him to come teach at her summer youth camp this year. He just graduated from Fudan University, one of the top schools in China, where he studied international relations, with a focus on law. He was the Chinese university champion 2 years ago (2006) and likes reading and sports.
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
Uberdude [2d\]: ta
HowToLose [5k\]: I'm so lucky I live in New Jersey
TheCaptain [4d\]: Newark?\\
HowToLose [5k\]: just 1 hour away from Feng Yun
IIamamiIk [4k\]: does yin kuo have some sort of mark or scar over his eye?
addxz: does anyone know what happened to the unfinished games from the naimt last night?
GoNoGo [2d?\]: I smell a stalker for free go lessons.
HowToLose [5k\]: south of Newark, unfortunately
hakky [-\]: thnx for the useless information
wopple [7k?\]: I live in Jersey as well
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
hakky [-\]: understood
Chefsalat [3d\]: i like this game
Monsolith2 [12k\]: the stones are so beautiful
]
;B[pf]
;W[nc]C[joelw [12k\]: q11 or s11 jump?
HowToLose [5k\]: q9
HowToLose [5k\]: q9 q9 q9 
IIamamiIk [4k\]: q12
softstorm [1k\]: b is leading?
xedover [7k?\]: they will try to schedule finishing last night's inturrupted Ing games this afternoon after the Open round is finished
malyn [7k\]: white leading
nickwasy [12k\]: what is the prize for this tournament?
nd4ever [5k\]: p11, hehe but looks weird move
Panda123 [5k\]: se is always so off when the game involves games over 5k...
Deich [5k\]: b18 not that small soon^
Hagalaz [4k\]: rank doesn't really have to do anything with it
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: its off regardless
Uberdude [2d\]: b18 is v big
Uberdude [2d\]: but this right side urgent
Uberdude [2d\]: p10 maybe
TheCaptain [4d\]: very hard game for an amateur to judge
HowToLose [5k\]: I once played a game (Japanese rules), where the game was over (everything resolved, just dame left, and those don't count), and SE was STILL off
Snaga [1d\]: not uncommon
]
;B[qh]C[softstorm [1k\]: p10
HowToLose [5k\]: ew cramped
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: if theres a seki SE will often miscalculate
HowToLose [5k\]: p10 ftw
Uberdude [2d\]: makes sense though
Baudzo [-\]: se doesn't work in your own games:)
Uberdude [2d\]: as no good attack
Uberdude [2d\]: make a base
]
;W[oj]C[revival [2d\]: and threaten a connection
Uberdude [2d\]: and take w base
Toge [5k\]: It's funny when SE marks some stones dead, but gives territory under those dead stones.
softstorm [1k\]: r17?
Deich [5k\]: 20kyu question: sorry: r17 does nothing right?
malyn [7k\]: black hard to catch up now
jankenpopp: r17 should die
Deich [5k\]: ok thx
Monsolith2 [12k\]: r17 can ko
jankenpopp: but im about 10k
Deich [5k\]: lol
joelw [12k\]: o12
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: r17 lets b get o18 i think
abbadan [-\]: b18 
Highwayman [1k\]: r17 lives but then R14 become weak
ToughNerd [12k\]: Yongfei Ge beat Seung Hyun Hong by 6.5 points
]
;B[od]C[jankenpopp: yongfei ge, wont last year's congress correct?
Seemaus [7d?\]: who is leading in this tornament?
Deich [5k\]: whata nice move
xedover [7k?\]: yes jankenpopp
Hagios [4k\]: US Open is knockout isn't it?
xedover [7k?\]: no Hagios
Majismo [3d?\]: its kikaschi
xedover [7k?\]: 6 round swiss (macmahon)
Hagios [4k\]: Oh!  My mistake; thank you xedover :)
HowToLose [5k\]: ugh I could never understand mcmahon
Violence [?\]: is white considering R6?
HowToLose [5k\]: I'd like to think W is reading out p17
Yanick [16k\]: time?
Deich [5k\]: tenuki would be a desaster or?
Bierce [1d\]: yes
Uberdude [2d\]: tenuki!
Uberdude [2d\]: eek
Deich [5k\]: q17 or p17
purpose [3k\]: yes no other choice 
revival [2d\]: tenuki would be exciting
HowToLose [5k\]: and suicidal
joelw [12k\]: p17
Uberdude [2d\]: p8 tenuki?
purpose [3k\]: would have to be a very strong tenuki hehe
Monsolith2 [12k\]: seems white has been too excited already in this game
Uberdude [2d\]: doesn't seem to threat a kill
revival [2d\]: p15 maybe?
HowToLose [5k\]: USGO, how does W look (physically)?
HowToLose [5k\]: concerned?
Deich [5k\]: w wants b18 soon
Snaga [1d\]: handsome
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
Seemaus [7d?\]: how much time left?
Snaga [1d\]: lol
kurosama [2d\]: shicho is good for black....
joelw [12k\]: p17 q15 r16 o16
jankenpopp: 12k reads far hmm
revival [2d\]: which shicho?
joelw [12k\]: :)
Monsolith2 [12k\]: doesnt look like a pro sequence
kurosama [2d\]: p17 r17 r16 q17 p15 o16 this shicho
ekku [-\]: monsolith, what do pro sequences look like?
USGO1 [-\]: TIME: Black 62m; W 68m
zoster [3k\]: pros have special secret sequences
Seemaus [7d?\]: thx
HowToLose [5k\]: they're sort of like secret recipes, but they don't taste as good
Majismo [3d?\]: my mom too
Batavia [5k\]: they are so seret they never play them
Monsolith2 [12k\]: ekku the ones you wouldnt think of when you're a kyu :p
joelw [12k\]: they call them p-quences
cwapface [21k?\]: lol
silver2k4 [-\]: p17 
malyn [7k\]: after p17, r17 not good for black.
ekku [-\]: i call them... consequences
zima [3k\]: yes, p17 
kurosama [2d\]: why not malyn ?
Panda123 [5k\]: white thinkin very hard for this move eh
HowToLose [5k\]: no, consequences are the opposite of pro sequences
malyn [7k\]: you will see
HowToLose [5k\]: don't you know pro = opposite of con?
]
;W[pc]C[USGO1 [-\]: big sigh from mingjiu
Violence [?\]: So what's the opposite of progress?
ekku [-\]: howtolose, i think that when a pro sequence is played, it will have consequences
joelw [12k\]: congress
kurosama [2d\]: if r17 wasn t a problem, white would have played P17 without thinking
Deich [5k\]: my q17 :)
Snaga [1d\]: ^^
joelw [12k\]: w was afraid of my sequence :P
lindybomb [1k\]: anybody know how jin chen did?
maligo [3d\]: this looks ugly
kukulis4 [2d\]: blak Q15 now ?
malyn [7k\]: q17本手
Deich [5k\]: tenuki i bet
Snaga [1d\]: why isnt jie li in this tournament?
]
;B[re]
;W[rd]C[Deich [5k\]: o
]
;B[pe]
;W[qd]C[revival [2d\]: n14
Deich [5k\]: p8
nd4ever [5k\]: s11?
Violence [?\]: Jie Li is not currently at Congress
jankenpopp: violence did you find out why?
jankenpopp: didnt he win the ing qualifier?
kukulis4 [2d\]: how about n10 ?
Deich [5k\]: p8!
choupiden [3k\]: O11
Gregor [3d\]: Jie wasn't really interested in spending the money to go
joelw [12k\]: o16
Gregor [3d\]: He's just a poor law student after all
jankenpopp: hmm gregor, really?
huggy [4k\]: i heard he missed the train
Robinsa [5k\]: jie lie poor? I thought he was rich as hell ^^
EeqMCsq [2k\]: who is jie lie?
gentil [6d\]: o14 ?
HowToLose [5k\]: ...wow
Deich [5k\]: p8 not good?
EeqMCsq [2k\]: ?
HowToLose [5k\]: p8 looks fine to me...which means it's bad
Gregor [3d\]: But hey, he'll be at the one next year
joelw [12k\]: he's he asian science guy
Robinsa [5k\]: Jie Li ofc
revival [2d\]: maybe s10
abbadan [-\]: o13 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: now corner is territory for white
HowToLose [5k\]: doesn't s10 strengthen W unnecessarily?
HowToLose [5k\]: and force b into a low position?
saru411 [4k\]: was the game yesterday finished?
Monsolith2 [12k\]: at last white has some points !! yay
Deich [5k\]: if not p8 s2 is sente right?
revival [2d\]: s10 connects
HowToLose [5k\]: the connection looks unnecessary
revival [2d\]: maybe
saru411 [4k\]: USGO1, was the game yesterday finished?
USGO1 [-\]: Because of the interrupted Ing game last night, five players – including Mingjiu Jiang – will have to finish their games this afternoon after the US Open Round, then play Round 3 of the Ing tonight at 7P EST.
HowToLose [5k\]: ouch
HowToLose [5k\]: long day
xedover [7k?\]: see http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/ for last night's Ing results and news
saru411 [4k\]: thank you USGO1
abbadan [-\]: needs a lot of stamina
Deich [5k\]: come on p8 now^
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu's gone walkabout
malyn [7k\]: the schedule looks funny
Uberdude [2d\]: p8 now i think
Farouche [-\]: how can 5 players have to finish their games? Shouldn't it logically be an even amount of player '.' ?
supercow [-\]: well, a walkabout normally lasts about 6 months...
USGO1 [-\]: btw, there's some sort of construction going on right outside the playing room; beeping bobcats and loud engines. windows are open for fresh air so it's like having them in the room with us
malyn [7k\]: none of the name looks like american
HowToLose [5k\]: it didn't say they were playing each other
kukulis4 [2d\]: p8 looks slow to me
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
zoster [3k\]: i heared that in order to be taught secret pro sequences, one have to sign a special contract in blood, to ensure that he'll never show it to an amateur. is that true?
Panda123 [5k\]: ...
malyn [7k\]: why it's not asian open go ?
HowToLose [5k\]: we're still talking about pquences?
sotos [2k\]: i like k14 
MssrBlanc [4k\]: because the people who named it aren't idiots, malyn
kukulis4 [2d\]: black  has to strenghten  Q14 or make realy big move
unknown22: zoster: it is true
kukulis4 [2d\]: I vote for O6
revival [2d\]: there are a few white players in the open section
HowToLose [5k\]: h5 looks big and sente
Uberdude [2d\]: o6 less pressure on p10
Uberdude [2d\]: h5 aint sente
HowToLose [5k\]: if o6 then q7?
Uberdude [2d\]: not urgent
malyn [7k\]: mssrblan, who the player's name to any of your friends, let them guess is it what us/european/ or asian game ?
Nimwei [21k\]: interesting
abbadan [-\]: I vote for o 13
Monsolith2 [12k\]: you can make a pact with the demon of go to gain super strength, but you will need to have a goban tatooed on the back of your first child
Deich [5k\]: somone else votes for p8 too? :)
Nimwei [21k\]: lol
Sotham [1d\]: Monsolith, where do I sign ?
jankenpopp: h13
Deich [5k\]: h13 is pushing from behind
jankenpopp: that's the best!
MssrBlanc [4k\]: yes, but the US open happens in the *drumroll* US
jankenpopp: of course!
MssrBlanc [4k\]: I think that's how they chose the name.
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Just a guess, though. 
HowToLose [5k\]: well I gtg to marching band practice
jankenpopp: or just o11, shoulder hit!
HowToLose [5k\]: cy'all
Nimwei [21k\]: cya
nd4ever [5k\]: usgo, may i ask how much time left for both players?
Monsolith2 [12k\]: sotham you need to call him in a dark room, with clam shell stones disposed as a pentagram
Yanick [16k\]: time??
Panda123 [5k\]: this is an intense 20 minutes move
Deich [5k\]: and will be simple p8
Chris929 [14k\]: timecheck?
joelw [12k\]: you only think so.  b actually nodded off, and is now clearing his eyes
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;B[oc]
;W[ob]C[Deich [5k\]: o
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;B[nd]C[Panda123 [5k\]: !!!
Chris929 [14k\]: oO
Nimwei [21k\]: lol
Violence [?\]: keh...
Chris929 [14k\]: USGO1 fell asleep xD
Violence [?\]: R6?
Panda123 [5k\]: lol
abbadan [-\]: :)))
Farouche [-\]: O18 is big though Viloence
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: b is strong
Farouche [-\]: sorry for misspelling your name ;)
Violence [?\]: I know that... but if white answers, I think black will S10
Snaga [1d\]: w is strong
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: center hard to deal I think
abbadan [-\]: both are strong
jankenpopp: o11,h13, go go go
manestor [7k\]: w has a weak group there
Violence [?\]: Maybe P8?
acellist1 [5k\]: professional players are strong--accurate observation
USGO1 [-\]: time remaining: white 65 minutes; black 49 minutes
theripper [2d\]: now p8 yes
Farouche [-\]: It's more than likely, but I think W needs to answer
joelw [12k\]: n17 i think
abbadan [-\]: p 8 seems slow
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo is away from the board
ekku [-\]: w doesn't seem to have any non-weak groups
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;W[nb]C[Deich [5k\]: n17 bad i think. o18 better
Deich [5k\]: lol
manestor [7k\]: !
USGO1 [-\]: he's back now.
manestor [7k\]: can we call that honte?
Deich [5k\]: now p8
Richdad [5d\]: o18 good stile
Nimwei [21k\]: honte?
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: why?
manestor [7k\]: i was expexting something like n17 
Deich [5k\]: n17 b could peep in sente
kukulis4 [2d\]: O18 removes weaknesses
joelw [12k\]: m16 must be tempting
acellist1 [5k\]: honte is removing weaknesses?
Richdad [5d\]: i can give you one precise reason
Richdad [5d\]: the double hane at j18 is less severe
Richdad [5d\]: homework for the interested :)
Medscrubs [-\]: more like food for thought
Chefsalat [3d\]: if a kyu played p17, i would have told him it was bad
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;B[nf]C[Yanwangye [-\]: ^^
gentil [6d\]: o14 as i said
manestor [7k\]: i would have played if
manestor [7k\]: it
jankenpopp: oh wow.. they are taking it really slow..
Violence [?\]: p8 now??
jankenpopp: or calm...
Deich [5k\]: not slow just perfect shape
jankenpopp: whatever works.. for you
Eoan [2k\]: the average time per move is infinity.
nickwasy [12k\]: is there anyone who wouldn't play O14?
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: what is best move for white now?
joelw [12k\]: unless they've both read the area during the infinite, then it's about .5 seconds
Yanick [16k\]: S14?
Deich [5k\]: p8 now
Yanick [16k\]: for w
Deich [5k\]: or b18
Pinchilei [2d\]: of course they're already counting yose
abbadan [-\]: n 8
melmac: b18
Snaga [1d\]: p8 
Chefsalat [3d\]: o8
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: yeah
Medscrubs [-\]: i dont get thid ;ast move >.<
Deich [5k\]: mouth shape: easy to understand this move
Violence [?\]: O14 just looks liks trouble for white...
Deich [5k\]: now b has a freehand
abbadan [-\]: o 14: textbook move
zima [3k\]: q8 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is hunched over the board staring intently at the right side
Yanick [16k\]: USGO1, what's the time left for the players??
joelw [12k\]: b18
Violence [?\]: you should know that this shape is to make black solid so that he can either attack the upper left or the O10 group with impugnity.
Deich [5k\]: p8 only move lol
Eoan [2k\]: possibly reading round r6
Deich [5k\]: looks like sente too
Deich [5k\]: r6 is cool :)
nickwasy [12k\]: If white played there, it would also be bad for black
abbadan [-\]: You are obsessed with this p 8, Deich...
USGO1 [-\]: white has 61 minutes, black about 48.
Deich [5k\]: i know sorry
abbadan [-\]: N.p.
Deich [5k\]: thats why i hope something will be put around there soon
manestor [7k\]: n10 
NoodleMike [15k\]: q7?
Farouche [-\]: honte again
jankenpopp: counter honte with honte!
purpose [3k\]: this is honte, I m not sure o18 can be called honte tho
abbadan [-\]: o 7 or o 8 I wlould suggest...
supercow [-\]: o18 looked more like a necessity than honte...
Deich [5k\]: o18 destroyed the side and b18 might become even bigger later
Pinchilei [2d\]: o18 is good it avoid anymore sente moves
Rocker [4d\]: the shape of the moves shows the two players r very stubborn people
ManMachine [-\]: i vote for p8 as well
joelw [12k\]: b18 or h13
kryft [4k\]: Rocker, the baduk psychoanalyst
Monsolith2 [12k\]: pè
abbadan [-\]: slow, MM
Monsolith2 [12k\]: p8 +1
NPcomplete [5k\]: Rocker is Sigmund Freud
Niouth: Q7 ?
godo123 [4k\]: sorry to interrupt - maybe question has been asked a hundred times by now, but where can I find the results of the games that have been played already?
Eoan [2k\]: r7 my move
Toge [5k\]: I think O18 was pretty necessary.
Soromon [1d\]: I'm wondering that also - did they resume the master's game between Mingjiu Jiang and Juyong Koh from last night?
saru411 [4k\]: http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42
godo123 [4k\]: cheers
Capsule [3d\]: not yet Soromon
USGO1 [-\]: Because of the interrupted Ing game last night, five players – including Mingjiu Jiang – will have to finish their games this afternoon after the US Open Round, then play Round 3 of the Ing tonight at 7P EST.
Capsule [3d\]: but Jang Bi, Kim Myung-wan, and a few others feel that Juyong is winning the game.
Rocker [4d\]: both like sure things only!! a little bit tiring game to watch!!
revival [2d\]: capsule.. where did you hear that?
Snaga [1d\]: juyong pro?
Capsule [3d\]: uh...from Jang Bi?
Deich [5k\]: where would be the punkrock-move rocker?
Capsule [3d\]: juyong is amateur Snaga
revival [2d\]: oh, ok
Snaga [1d\]: ok
Deich [5k\]: f12?
Rocker [4d\]: deich , r u amish?
MaLa [2k\]: five players have to finish their games?
MaLa [2k\]: one plays alone?
Capsule [3d\]: Rocker, reveal yourself
presque [5k\]: n10 !
Deich [5k\]: yeah and i have my free year right now
Monsolith2 [12k\]: mala actually its 3vs2
gentil [6d\]: p6?
Soromon [1d\]: Deich, if white forces black to fill F13, then he will have to protect f14 - so f12 is no good.
Rocker [4d\]: u shouldnt use this evil machine
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: o8?
Deich [5k\]: true soromon
Eoan [2k\]: k10.
NPcomplete [5k\]: p7?
Deich [5k\]: just bored and cant expect p8 :)
Panda123 [5k\]: man 15 minutes later and sitll this move intense
Soromon [1d\]: q7
Niouth: yes Q7 is nice
saru411 [4k\]: w is behind
joelw [12k\]: q7 tempting
Oleksandr [2k\]: how much time they have?
Deich [5k\]: w ha sbig yose moves later
Niouth: F12 
TarasBob [8k\]: wow, there are such strong players in the United States
saru411 [4k\]: w is behind by 10+ on the board
USGO1 [-\]: OK POP QUIZ: W to move against r-side group
Deich [5k\]: r6!
revival [2d\]: s6
Deich [5k\]: or p8!
jankenpopp: s2
NPcomplete [5k\]: i stay with p7
TarasBob [8k\]: Q7
fakemeba [3d\]: p8 
zima [3k\]: q8 
Rocker [4d\]: p8
ekku [-\]: r6
player3 [2k\]: p8 
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: no
Monsolith2 [12k\]: q7
Deich [5k\]: USGO makes best entertainment^
Yanwangye [-\]: why q8?
Pinchilei [2d\]: nobody said s7 yet :)
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;W[qm]
;B[rm]C[Deich [5k\]: o wow
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;W[pm]C[NPcomplete [5k\]: hmm
presque [5k\]: b18 gote but maybe important for w no ?
Rocker [4d\]: u all suck!
NPcomplete [5k\]: :(
Chefsalat [3d\]: b b18 will become big soon
faraox [13k?\]: hiN
cwapface [21k?\]: i said r7 like 10 times
Farouche [-\]: no you suck Rocker!
joelw [12k\]: someone said r7
faraox [13k?\]: NPComplete: good nick by the way... :P
Eoan [2k\]: wow he actually used r7...
NPcomplete [5k\]: thx:)
Niouth: q7 or r7 to q7 is the same ...
Deich [5k\]: rockers are fat and loud
player3 [2k\]: rocker, your variant eas p8 
Niouth: but Q7 p6 better
Chris929 [14k\]: screw you rocker --> goning home^^
abbadan [-\]: l15 
Deich [5k\]: omg now r7 looks so simple
revival [2d\]: is there a ko coming?
joelw [12k\]: s9
player3 [2k\]: so, w block b, or it's gonna be fight
Eoan [2k\]: not like no one had seen it.
Farouche [-\]: so good games today
Rocker [4d\]: s999?
Niouth: h5 and f12 problems ....
revival [2d\]: kokoko
Monsolith2 [12k\]: s999 is far off the goban
acellist1 [5k\]: s999 throwing the stone out the window
amycheetah [7k?\]: xD
Ophelia [8k?\]: lol
Pinchilei [2d\]: on USGO1
Lynx [2d\]: 2d are the best
sirius45 [10k\]: xD
amycheetah [7k?\]: that would be a really big board
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: usgo01: ouch** ^^
amycheetah [7k?\]: xD
Deich [5k\]: q8 and fight as hell
Deich [5k\]: ok bad idea
Yanick [16k\]: yeh
zima [3k\]: no..
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: r7 pro move? so cool
Niouth: r7 sux
Pinchilei [2d\]: s9 submissive
mahatma [1k\]: usgo time?
MXHero [-\]: r6
Niouth: to slow
joelw [12k\]: s6 safest route
abbadan [-\]: yes
Deich [5k\]: r6 and w gets what he wants
MXHero [-\]: w already has what he wants
Niouth: i don think
Lynx [2d\]: s6 is lame-o cheeri-o
MXHero [-\]: can't take it away
Niouth: w is not fighting for r6
Deich [5k\]: q8 hopeless?
Rocker [4d\]: i feel w is in the slight lead 
player3 [2k\]: may be s8 
presque [5k\]: SE fells that too
presque [5k\]: *feels
Lynx [2d\]: b groups are not impressive living
Monsolith2 [12k\]: a shame they cant use SE
fada [2k\]: j' aime bien s9
jandrews [1k\]: SE is even more wrong than usual for these AGA games though =P
Chris929 [14k\]: time? USGO1?
Rocker [4d\]: maybe b is considering Q8 
Eoan [2k\]: se holding up pretty well
Yanick [16k\]: What's the time??
wuwei [5k\]: sac q5 for the center
Pinchilei [2d\]: ouais c pas mal mais blanc est content aussi
Niouth: Q8 is not a good choice
Deich [5k\]: q8 for some punkrock finally
presque [5k\]: it's 9pm there
fada [2k\]: S9 ?
Pinchilei [2d\]: ouais
Yanick [16k\]: presque.... X_X
presque [5k\]: hehe
Eoan [2k\]: s6 probably most likely. too few real choices
Yanick [16k\]: lolz
Yanick [16k\]: I mean, how many time have the players left?
joelw [12k\]: s9 looks like its flaw is r6
abbadan [-\]: much
Niouth: R6 p6
Rocker [4d\]: a little bitt too slow 
fairgo1 [10k\]: who won open board 3?
fada [2k\]: S9 S10 O5
Deich [5k\]: q8 and w after?
Deich [5k\]: s6 dosnt work
Monsolith2 [12k\]: who can tell how much time one has.. in the end its the same for all of us
Chefsalat [3d\]: q8 to trade r4 for r10
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;B[rn]C[Eoan [2k\]: told ya....
acellist1 [5k\]: you win
Nomadic [10k\]: gj
]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]
;W[pk]
;B[rj]C[Rocker [4d\]: this torney must have big prize money otherwise they wouldnt spend this much time
Chris929 [14k\]: board 3: Yongfei Ge (w) by 6,5
rvf [2k\]: against?
Soromon [1d\]: the white center is looking good
okiol [10k?\]: what is this?
saru411 [4k\]: its the biggest tourney in the states...
Nomadic [10k\]: what is the link for the resulty
Chris929 [14k\]: against: Seung Hyun Hong
Nomadic [10k\]: results
TanGeng [1d?\]: the center is?
joelw [12k\]: invadeable
fairgo1 [10k\]: thx chris
Violence [?\]: B18?
presque [5k\]: j10 *
Uberdude [2d\]: h5 
Chris929 [14k\]: np
zima [3k\]: h5 or s9 ?
Uberdude [2d\]: p6 hole though
okiol [10k?\]: so is this game on right now?
Uberdude [2d\]: or o5
presque [5k\]: it's always time to b18 
Pinchilei [2d\]: no real center, but a lot of strenght have to find a target
revival [2d\]: w should distract b and play h5 and b18 simultaneoulsy
Soromon [1d\]: no target - black is solid
Pinchilei [2d\]: yes
Pinchilei [2d\]: sad
Uberdude [2d\]: i think b is happy
joelw [12k\]: target should be f10 stone, imo
Yanick [16k\]: How much time left? USGO1?? (I've ben asking this for so long, it's tiring)
Uberdude [2d\]: f10 is small stones
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;W[bb]C[presque [5k\]: got it
Violence [?\]: sweet, called it
wuwei [5k\]: yose...
Lynx [2d\]: huge move
Yanwangye [-\]: big?
presque [5k\]: gote
Soromon [1d\]: white can't afford to let his top left group be chased, for the sake of the middle
TanGeng [1d?\]: it's big for life
Deich [5k\]: h5 now
presque [5k\]: but give life
MXHero [-\]: it's not really yose
Violence [?\]: it's reverse sente
Eoan [2k\]: o5 probably...
kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah
wuwei [5k\]: mmm
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;B[no]
;W[mo]C[Deich [5k\]: eoan clap* clap*
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;B[nn]C[Eoan [2k\]: oh yes.. i'm on a serious roll
Rocker [4d\]: this game has no where to play alreay , its yose time already
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;W[op]
;B[pn]C[Deich [5k\]: hard to say yose since p10 is still pretty weak
presque [5k\]: n6 
revival [2d\]: w h17 possible?
acellist1 [5k\]: I feel that I am learning from watching these games :)
Lynx [2d\]: w stones look sad
calgacus [?\]: j17
Niouth: p6 was needed ...
Niouth: 7p sux :)
Eoan [2k\]: perhaps something akin to m9?
]
;W[rk]C[Yanwangye [-\]: s2?
Eoan [2k\]: oh wait 
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;B[rl]
;W[ri]
;B[sk]
;W[qi]C[Yanick [16k\]: how about n7?
wuwei [5k\]: that was big
Deich [5k\]: n6 simple
Lynx [2d\]: powerful moves from white
presque [5k\]: n6 
joelw [12k\]: m17
zima [3k\]: s2 
Rocker [4d\]: n10
Eoan [2k\]: not any real hope of killing no more...
abbadan [-\]: h11 
Akagi316 [7k\]: did ming jiu win 3 games already?
presque [5k\]: 2 maybe
Yanick [16k\]: it's the 3rd round, how can he?
presque [5k\]: but not 3
addxz: this is the third game
Rocker [4d\]: n10 cap
Nomadic [10k\]: do we have any link
Nomadic [10k\]: ?
joelw [12k\]: k14 looks nice on board tho
Violence [?\]: Mingjiu has won 3 games so far, yes
USGO1 [-\]: TIME: B: 34; W 50
Violence [?\]: 2 open games and 1 ING game
Akagi316 [7k\]: ok
Akagi316 [7k\]: thanks
Yanick [16k\]: ah
Yanwangye [-\]: B MAYBE H5`?
Motie [?\]: M17 looks big
calgacus [?\]: o11
ShihChing [8k\]: Lower left surrounded so solidly -- lovely sacrifices by white, on the right too.
Soromon [1d\]: white can't n6 - it pushes black toward his weak right side group
joelw [12k\]: j15 might be more practical
Eoan [2k\]: h5 is sort of empty ground...
Yanick [16k\]: can't wait for the byo-yomi... things will speed up then
Pinchilei [2d\]: for when clocks with usb port so people on KGS just have to type /time ?
Eoan [2k\]: not much to make there.
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;B[mj]C[Rocker [4d\]: muhahahaha
presque [5k\]: nice Rocker
Deich [5k\]: rocker clap* clap*
Jump [6k\]: agressive
Soromon [1d\]: black doesn't have many points - 10 on the left, 10 on the right, maybe 15 on the top, 5 on the bottom
abbadan [-\]: nice
kmr [1k\]: Rocker the prophecy
Soromon [1d\]: white has some good good corners and potential in the middle
]
;W[mk]C[Eoan [2k\]: probably bad for b.
Violence [?\]: Ah, the H14 stone helps ladders
presque [5k\]: w ahead
Motie [?\]: W ahead?
joelw [12k\]: o11
zoster [3k\]: the middle will be some kind of no man's land, i guess..
Advanced [1k\]: w has little potential...
Rocker [4d\]: o9
truesaint [2k\]: not by much though
Lynx [2d\]: middle will give more to black with powerful tesuji
Advanced [1k\]: well
presque [5k\]: n8 
Eoan [2k\]: h5 soon i think or m7
USGO1 [-\]: The players are about to take a lunch break
Dominas25 [9k?\]: I think se should just be programmed to let everything be alive in professional games, it would be less confusing for it
IIamamiIk [4k\]: n6
truesaint [2k\]: haha
joelw [12k\]: n6 actually
jankenpopp: m7 is fine too
Rocker [4d\]: what they r going to eat?
Flamberge [2k\]: how long are the games?
Hagalaz [4k\]: as if ithings never die in professional games?
Advanced [1k\]: black only only has 30-40
USGO1 [-\]: We'll let you know how long the break will be
Advanced [1k\]: i think white has 40 + komi or so
truesaint [2k\]: so 46.5 vs 45
Yanick [16k\]: the games are 2 hours per person, + 5 periods of 30 seconds byo-yomi, for Flamberge
Eoan [2k\]: key moment for a break, predicting moves is a little more up in the air now.
Rocker [4d\]: they must go to a chinese restaurant since their name show both r chinese
Deich [5k\]: i count 30 only
Motie [?\]: I don't see how you get 40 for W
Advanced [1k\]: counted a few points near k4
Singer [10k\]: Neither player seems to have any significantly large territory
Motie [?\]: I get maybe 25
Deich [5k\]: k4 is dame yet
truesaint [2k\]: but no really killable groups too
Deich [5k\]: maybe a good spot for b later btw
Eoan [2k\]: 35 to 45 to b but i suck at counting
truesaint [2k\]: this will be one of those games decided by yose
Yanick [16k\]: USGO3 is already over?
Advanced [1k\]: well..
Motie [?\]: 35 for B sounds right
Yanick [16k\]: who won?
Rocker [4d\]: this kind of game is not easy 
Advanced [1k\]: .the two corners are already almost 25...
dsgt [4k\]: i think they;re pretty even
narushi [16k\]: Ah... its still not over.
dsgt [4k\]: middle will decide game
presque [5k\]: w 4 corners
presque [5k\]: as says the proverb
Advanced [1k\]: id say w has at least 35
Gandohar [2k\]: b 4 sides
Criticface [11k?\]: thats great, when i left like an hr ago, black was winning by a lot
Eoan [2k\]: then b wins
Heartbrok [3k\]: barely 4 corners
presque [5k\]: w ahead
Criticface [11k?\]: white has really turned it around
Eoan [2k\]: 4 corners basically means you lost
USGO1 [-\]: the game will resume in 30 minutes, at 12:35P pst
USGO1 [-\]: stay tuned and see you then
mpan [8k\]: oh, lunch?
cuauhtle [3k\]: no black loses if one has 4 corners
truesaint [2k\]: whoa, 30 minutes. rushed lunch :) 
narushi [16k\]: lol
Deich [5k\]: critiface: wrong: w played for influence b for territory first
Deich [5k\]: thats why b leaded in pints
Rocker [4d\]: i think they will eat instant noodles otherwisee it will take more time 
Yanick [16k\]: instant ramen!
supercow [-\]: If he's leading in pints, he's probably behind on the board ;-)
cuauhtle [3k\]: 12:35 wow
Deich [5k\]: doping? epo?
Eoan [2k\]: w would win after the break if b is leading in pints
truesaint [2k\]: good one. lol
cuauhtle [3k\]: w would win after the break if he has a great dish
Deich [5k\]: fresh blood for the professionals
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: actualy proffessionals uses special matterials during matches, is that true ?
Deich [5k\]: tea and a go-cake maybe
Deich [5k\]: with black and white smarties
Nomadic [10k\]: w will lose this game
Rocker [4d\]: they will eat saussages
Deich [5k\]: nomadic wanna teach me? you must be strong^
Yanwangye [-\]: moin kairos :)
Gandohar [2k\]: for title matches they use very expensive boards and stones ... don´t know wich materials they are
Nomadic [10k\]: i can teach you deich in a few months
Deich [5k\]: just love and air
mpan [8k\]: why was there an undo in the middle?
og [10k\]: misclick, presumably
Gandohar [2k\]: no undo, missclick
Hagios [4k\]: mpan: misclicked.
Deich [5k\]: btw after an earthquake right now: could they replay this game? sure or?
Gregor [3d\]: recording error of some kind
Yanick [16k\]: earthquake xD
Alenchon [6k\]: earthquake in Portland Oregon?  I wonder ...
Yanick [16k\]: would be cool
addxz: more like a shockwave from california
Hagios [4k\]: Deich: I can usually remember the first 50 moves of a game I just played.  I'm quite certain professionals can remember the entirety of a game they just played :)
Deich [5k\]: never heared about the hiroshima game?
Yanick [16k\]: but, that's why we have KGS
jandrews [1k\]: they could easily reproduce the game, I'm sure
Deich [5k\]: ok jandrews i dont doubt this^
kvartaali [4k\]: enough gaz and anything is possible
Gandohar [2k\]: it is "saved" in this demo, so they CAN reproduce it^^
Yanick [16k\]: printscreen xD
Singer [10k\]: And if they couldn't, I'm sure USGO wouldn't mind doing it for them...
Rocker [4d\]: r there a lot of roses in oregon?
kryft [4k\]: Deich, Of course they could reproduce it; significantly weaker players could.
Deich [5k\]: thats not the question singer^
Betonlife [3k\]: ..if they're still alive after the earthquake, that is
Yanick [16k\]: just print screen and paste in paint, print it out and put it on a Goban
Deich [5k\]: ok kryft: i cant lol
jankenpopp: you've just never tried it
Batavia [5k\]: so any guesses how many points white has around L5
Deich [5k\]: true
jankenpopp: if you do it after you've played a game, you realize it's not that hard
jankenpopp: also that you can remember a bit more each time
Singer [10k\]: I think I could probably remember a good game I'd just played, it's easier than it sounds
Deich [5k\]: 0 points yet
Batavia [5k\]: * will have
Deich [5k\]: 10 kyu and a good game?
Deich [5k\]: sorry xd:)
Yanick [16k\]: I can't remember a thing from m games
Singer [10k\]: :)
makoregevr [2d\]: ming jiu doesnt need to win if he 7p? =\\
Hagios [4k\]: Deich: You were 10k once.  You weren't ever proud of your games? :P
Rocker [4d\]: o10 is the next move
kryft [4k\]: Deich, I couldn't reproduce this game, but I probably could if it were a (real life) tournament game that I was playing myself.
Rocker [4d\]: o9
Yanick [16k\]: even I'm proud of my games sometimes XD
Advanced [1k\]: hm
Singer [10k\]: I'm normally not proud of my games, because I know I should have lost and how
Advanced [1k\]: when i was 10k-
Deich [5k\]: i did a bad joke hagios
player3 [2k\]: once I saw amazingly strong game of 10ks
Advanced [1k\]: I was proud if I killed the opponents entire board
Hagios [4k\]: deich, ah. :)
Singer [10k\]: Were they both sandbaggers? :P
Yanick [16k\]: Ah when I was 10k..... oh wait.....
Deich [5k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: now, I have to wait patiently
Advanced [1k\]: playing moves in "sente"
Advanced [1k\]: and getting "profit"
player3 [2k\]: who knows
Advanced [1k\]: instead of just killing them
Advanced [1k\]: :(
Deich [5k\]: chuck norris dosnt need any sente
Yanick [16k\]: anyone wanna teach me? I need a god teacher in Go, or I'll always be a low ranked player :(
jankenpopp: maybe b m3 first then j4
Yanick [16k\]: good* xD
jankenpopp: and m7
kryft [4k\]: Advanced, Not to mention 'big moves' like B18
Hagios [4k\]: Yanick: Tsumego.  Can't stress that enough.
Fiara [8k\]: Yanick.
Advanced [1k\]: :P
Yanick [16k\]: Tsumego.............
Fiara [8k\]: Reading > Tsumego
Laeme [2d?\]: playing go helps improve your go
Advanced [1k\]: well
Yanick [16k\]: not too good with terms
Advanced [1k\]: at your level, I'd say play about 200 games
Advanced [1k\]: and you'll be around 5k
player3 [2k\]: forget terms, just play
Deich [5k\]: yanick: "get strong at attackinG" and "making good shape"
Yanick [16k\]: :)
Fiara [8k\]: Play 30 games and fight as much as you can.
Advanced [1k\]: yeah, i've never read a book or done any tsumego
Deich [5k\]: not get strong sorry
Laeme [2d?\]: if you want do a few problems of goproblems.com daily, if you don't want to, fine too
Deich [5k\]: i ment "attack and defense
Advanced [1k\]: and then go to kgs teaching ladder, I review games sometimes there
Fiara [8k\]: "Bad shape and how to make it."
Yanick [16k\]: xD
Advanced [1k\]: well
Fiara [8k\]: Muttley edition.
Advanced [1k\]: o_O
Advanced [1k\]: I still remember
Advanced [1k\]: getting cut almost every single game
Laeme [2d?\]: it helps to review one or two points of your own games, if the games were reasonably serious
player3 [2k\]: he still thinking how to attack
Laeme [2d?\]: and if you can't figure something out ask a stronger player
kryft [4k\]: Reviewing your own games on your own is pretty helpful too. Of course there are mistakes that you won't see, but at least in my games there are plenty of moves that I can find obviously better alternatives for.
Advanced [1k\]: the problem is
Advanced [1k\]: yeah
Fiara [8k\]: I still remember when I had a tiny group and my opponent had the rest of the board.
Advanced [1k\]: if you review your own games, you develop your own style
Deich [5k\]: but yanick really: to get an idea how and why to attack and from what direction (and not killing) will make you 9kyu+ soon
Deich [5k\]: to understand this perfect will make you 5 dan^
Fiara [8k\]: Deich.
Advanced [1k\]: when you're 1k... you basically just learn how to not die in the first 5 seconds
Fiara [8k\]: Play you?
Advanced [1k\]: hm
Deich [5k\]: i dont have time sorry
Advanced [1k\]: I think playing handicap games helps a lot
Laeme [2d?\]: being able to read 1 move while looking at liberties and seeing the difference between cutting stones and useless stones should be enough
Fiara [8k\]: You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals.
Advanced [1k\]: yeah, thats where I'm at laeme ^^
Laeme [2d?\]: me not yet ^^
Shrewd [2k\]: i am at understanding what liberties are
Advanced [1k\]: as long as
Yanick [16k\]: I think that's my problem, I mostly play on instinct
Advanced [1k\]: i dont die after I cut in one move
Advanced [1k\]: I do it
Laeme [2d?\]: but it's no joke, after a while you are stronger even without reading, you just see stones with their liberties and see weakness
Deich [5k\]: instinct is ok if you now something about shapes^
b]
;B[nk]C[calgacus [?\]: segoe kensaku authored a classic tesuji dictionary
Lynx [2d\]: If I read those books again, I would be a real 2 dan again.
]
;W[nj]C[SunnyD [3d\]: How old is B?
Deich [5k\]: 25 i think
Advanced [1k\]: lynx, have you ever read any joseki books?
Gay [4d\]: 16 i think
Deich [5k\]: no gay
Deich [5k\]: hes a student
Lynx [2d\]: yes, advanced, but they are completely useless
]
;B[lk]
;W[ml]C[Violence [?\]: idunno about completely
]
;B[nl]C[Lynx [2d\]: hehe mostly ;)
Advanced [1k\]: i hate it when people talk about
Advanced [1k\]: josekis
]
;W[mi]C[Advanced [1k\]: and I go... wow no idea
Advanced [1k\]: xD
]
;B[lj]C[Laeme [2d?\]: well, you have books with problems
Deich [5k\]: can improve your rreading skill with josekis same as with tesuji books imo
]
;W[li]C[Laeme [2d?\]: nah
SunnyD [3d\]: Can't believe the congress site has no list of pros
Laeme [2d?\]: it does
Violence [?\]: it does
Soromon [1d\]: black m7 net?
SunnyD [3d\]: link?
Soromon [1d\]: or o12 first?
Violence [?\]: http://www.gocongress08.org/pros.php
Deich [5k\]: w missread=?
Deich [5k\]: b has a ladder! or will get l3 stones
Deich [5k\]: maybe to small?
Deich [5k\]: oO
ryot [14k\]: It's been over an hour..... why isn't za clock going down?!
Laeme [2d?\]: ladder?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: its a demo
Lynx [2d\]: B has a net not a ladder Deich
Deich [5k\]: n7 sure
Deich [5k\]: and k3 will be in atari
Laeme [2d?\]: read it
Gay [4d\]: L7 works
Rocker [4d\]: what wa s the sequence after lunch?????
Deich [5k\]: you schould read it
GoPadawan [?\]: ryot stop this 'za' thing please... its annoying
kurosama [2d\]: n7 doesn t work Deaich you should
Gay [4d\]: but ladder dont work
]
;B[lm]C[Gay [4d\]: L7 capture n9
Gay [4d\]: m7*
Soromon [1d\]: bwahaha
Javaness [-\]: wow Black knows geta
Deich [5k\]: ladder or k3 would have been capture
Gay [4d\]: -.-
]
(;W[lf]C[kurosama [2d\]: just read deich
])
(;W[lg]C[Laeme [2d?\]: well yeah, but it would lose too much
Lynx [2d\]: If you don't succeed at first, pick yourself up and try again
Deich [5k\]: just read kurosama
Laeme [2d?\]: and he has a net, always better :)
Gay [4d\]: deich u missread
Deich [5k\]: try it offline
Deich [5k\]: you will see
kurosama [2d\]: i don t need to
calgacus [?\]: He also worked on the even better 2 vol tesuji dictionary with go seigen
Deich [5k\]: i like the result with k3 captured
Laeme [2d?\]: I don't
Gay [4d\]: lol?
Lynx [2d\]: You do misread Deich
joelw [12k\]: his read is correct, but he isn't evaluating the k3 stones versus the 10 cutting spots left by the ladder correctly
Gay [4d\]: b m10 would die
Rocker [4d\]: my next move after lunch was right again!
Slug [2k\]: could this be what white wanted?
Gay [4d\]: would be horrible for b ^^
Rocker [4d\]: slug yes
calgacus [?\]: w is in good shape
hafmirakle [-\]: for some reason,i dont really see w 's points...
jajando: ok, Rocker what now?
Lynx [2d\]: There are big hairs inside your nose.
Rocker [4d\]: this is very typical contact variation 
Laeme [2d?\]: squint your eyes and wish
Lynx [2d\]: It's kind of freaky to have such big hairs in your nose.
Uberdude [2d\]: o12 seems a good kikashi
Deich [5k\]: not that horrible gay
]
;B[oh]C[Ukasuhs [1k?\]: horrible as in b would lose...
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is currently afb
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: that horrible
jajando:  Rocker next b move please :)
joelw [12k\]: it's pretty horrible imo
Deich [5k\]: blah blah after b m3 b has n2 and and
USGO1 [-\]: white has 46 minutes remaining, black has 22
Lynx [2d\]: w o12
Rocker [4d\]: b will m17 with sente
Deich [5k\]: w gets 2-3 stones
Deich [5k\]: thats it
joelw [12k\]: the next 3 or 4 plays by w and b would be w taking stones, and b protecting cuts
jajando: m17? good :0
jajando: :)
]
;W[nh]C[Rocker [4d\]: w o12 is fur sho
Rocker [4d\]: then b m17
Lynx [2d\]: I called it! I did it!
jajando: but maybe first D18?
SunnyD [3d\]: F6
kurosama [2d\]: black M16 white resigns ? ^^
purpose [3k\]: b o13 lol
]
;B[db]C[purpose [3k\]: let's keep it solid
jajando: :)
Rocker [4d\]: oops
Laeme [2d?\]: black says he'd lik to start endgame now
Rocker [4d\]: not bad for a guest
Gay [4d\]: jajando is pro
Soromon [1d\]: now white pressure teh k17 stone for profit
jajando: it isnt endgame!
jajando: he try attack bothQ!
joelw [12k\]: he's making c15 stones weaker
Laeme [2d?\]: hmm, good point
Laeme [2d?\]: so it's sente endgame ;)
Rocker [4d\]: w with j16
Rocker [4d\]: will
Rocker [4d\]: maybe h16
joelw [12k\]: f11
Gay [4d\]: h16 only helps b..
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: true
Rocker [4d\]: hmm j16 
jajando: 3 white groups hasnt life yet
jajando: its very important for black
jajando: attack and take terrytory 
USGO1 [-\]: white has 41 minutes remaining, and black has 21
kurosama [2d\]: p13 maybe
jajando: not killing
calgacus [?\]: j17 possible?
Gay [4d\]: H13
Lynx [2d\]: m15
SunnyD [3d\]: H13
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: USGO1 how much time do each of them have left?
Over9k [5k\]: how did the game yesterday night turn out?
Violence [?\]: H17??
Millard [17k\]: he just said
Millard [17k\]: w-41
Millard [17k\]: b-21
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: oh i didnt see
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: thx
catamutu [2d\]: black is in advantage
Rocker [4d\]: maybe just h13
catamutu [2d\]: he doesn't really need to atack anything
Soromon [1d\]: white thinking of a sente way to play L18 so he can get s3 afterward
saru411 [4k\]: b will win, unless big mistake
]
;W[hg]C[Gay [4d\]: yay!
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: 3p
Millard [17k\]: lol
kurosama [2d\]: nice :)
hannes101 [8k\]: wow, holding ctrl and clicking on the board really works..sorry, im amazed
Gay [4d\]: i was first who come up with h13!
Gay [4d\]: 7pro
Millard [17k\]: lol
weiqidevil [-\]: congrats Gay!
Higanbana [?\]: *gives gay a pro certificate*
Majismo [3d?\]: great gay
kuikentje [5k\]: hooray
catamutu [2d\]: h5
Monsolith2 [12k\]: *gives pro a gay certificate*
Majismo [3d?\]: whats b next move then?
Millard [17k\]: lol
joelw [12k\]: you said that backwards
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
kuikentje [5k\]: now learn to make sensible moves 100 times in a row ;)
catamutu [2d\]: h5 
Rocker [4d\]: h12?
Deich [5k\]: it was related to the game btw :)
SunnyD [3d\]: F13
]
;B[fg]C[catamutu [2d\]: black wants to ein
catamutu [2d\]: win
Gay [4d\]: ....
catamutu [2d\]: without a figth
Enraiha [8k\]: lol
Gay [4d\]: are you serious?
Rocker [4d\]: hmm sunny d is def. right g12 is very lame......
joelw [12k\]: g15
Deich [5k\]: bf6 works right?
Enraiha [8k\]: m15 h11 g11 h8 for w? 
Soromon [1d\]: black must be careful about giving up eye shape on the bottom left
Lynx [2d\]: no, Deich, it doesn't.
saru411 [4k\]: what do you mean it works? he is alive already
joelw [12k\]: or possibly b14
Deich [5k\]: hmm ok
jajando: w can ignore it
Rocker [4d\]: h16!!!!!!!!
Gay [4d\]: can ignore what?
joelw [12k\]: f13?
nidza92 [-\]: if b cuts at f14,w muist answer in corner
jajando: cut at F14
Gay [4d\]: y
Gay [4d\]: lifes anyway
Deich [5k\]: f6 dosnt cut?
Deich [5k\]: whyt w would awsner?
jajando: w think about Q14 group...
]
;W[ld]C[saru411 [4k\]: hehe
nidza92 [-\]: beacuse hes dead if he doesnt answer
Enraiha [8k\]: aww lol i was one off m16 instead of m15 :(
joelw [12k\]: b15
calgacus [?\]: this is why i didn't like n10.
Rocker [4d\]: hmm jajan  whats ur rank!!?
jajando: I was 4 european dan
isrdude: 4 different personalities?
Rocker [4d\]: now 1 d?
parapluie: and now 9d?
Gardener [?\]: pro ?
jajando: about :))
IIamamiIk [4k\]: s13 needed?
Rocker [4d\]: 9d?
Lynx [2d\]: Got to chase it like cranberry juice.
Lynx [2d\]: Let it go! Let it go!
isrdude: i feel weak compared to thee :)
Rocker [4d\]: r u tenbatsu?
ww [1k\]: this is a whole frekking tsumego already
saru411 [4k\]: q11 q10 p11 o11 o13 
jajando: :)
Gay [4d\]: he is not tenbatsu
TanGeng [1d?\]: how many responses to the f14 cut does white have?
joelw [12k\]: is resign 1 of them?
Deich [5k\]: why dosnt f6 cut? :(
Deich [5k\]: pls help
TanGeng [1d?\]: is it only b16?
Pedro6548 [12k\]: t14?
Gay [4d\]: no
Rocker [4d\]: maybe d18 was a little too stingy??
catamutu [2d\]: that cut has aji and anyway white can live in the corner
TanGeng [1d?\]: a15?
RamsesII [1k\]: B17 alive and H14 connected
Deich [5k\]: corner yes but e8 would be weak
Gay [4d\]: maybe q11?
Rocker [4d\]: w will definitely look for j17 with sente
TanGeng [1d?\]: there is miai but what's the right respons?
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah I'd think white was looking at j17
saru411 [4k\]: if b cuts he puts his group in danger on the Lower Left
Deich [5k\]: i cant see how w wanna kill this group
TanGeng [1d?\]: where?
Slug [2k\]: white created a life death problem here?
Deich [5k\]: f6 and?
Slug [2k\]: or life & big gain
joelw [12k\]: either m18 or b15
Laeme [2d?\]: b won't die
Majismo [3d?\]: time?
catamutu [2d\]: black is alive
Laeme [2d?\]: but having to spend a move is no fun
catamutu [2d\]: if tenuki :) then there is a big question
Gay [4d\]: q11 is sente life 
Laeme [2d?\]: yeah, too lazy to read it, not clear on first sight ^^
Laeme [2d?\]: ok, thanks
Yanick [16k\]: time?
Slug [2k\]: heh, what else could i have meant
ww [1k\]: this move teaches, more i looked at it it felt better
purpose [3k\]: deaich: f6 g6 e6 h7 ?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: Deich f6 e6 then b must answer e6 or the bottom left dies
Rocker [4d\]: s12
purpose [3k\]: ukasuhs: not true, I tried to read that, btu there is no way this works
Majismo [3d?\]: USGO: time remaining,please
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: so it goes f6 e6 d6 g6 if black tries to cut
Deich [5k\]: f6 e6 g6 of course
purpose [3k\]: and then what ? d6 c6 ? b alive
Deich [5k\]: d6 c7
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: purpose: black f6 e6 g6 c6 c7 d6 
joelw [12k\]: more I look at it, more I like j15
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: death
Jenghis [2k\]: I saw the game start then went on a 30 mile bike ride and I get to see the end. Life is good : )
TanGeng [1d?\]: nice
Over9k [5k\]: lol
TanGeng [1d?\]: they took a lunch break
Yanick [16k\]: yeh, it's kinda a slow game
TanGeng [1d?\]: make sure you eat too
Yanick [16k\]: I'm eating cookies
Lynx [2d\]: eatting is very important
Deich [5k\]: b has a4 not dead
purpose [3k\]: c6 D6 -> escape or live
Lynx [2d\]: now let's go eat some lollipops
Enraiha [8k\]: you probably have time for another bike ride :)
purpose [3k\]: + a4 for life
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: a6 kills the 2nd eye
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: a4 a6
Omnipeon [1d\]: eating is over rated
TanGeng [1d?\]: that's a ko
kuikentje [5k\]: if anything, eating is underrated
Yanick [16k\]: a1 ftw
Denniskutl [1d\]: w is continuing to his lunch by b stones :>
Advanced [1k\]: extra vanilla bean haggen daz..
USGO1 [-\]: white has 35 minutes left, and black has 10
saru411 [4k\]: deich please come to my cloned game
kukulis4 [2d\]: if black cuts at F14, does white live in corner ?
Yanick [16k\]: ty USGO1
Over9k [5k\]: caramel mocha frappachino
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
Deich [5k\]: not true because b played b7 before
TanGeng [1d?\]: dunno if black can cut though
oibbi [1d\]: even if white defends g6 it still isn't cut :/
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: b never played b7 in the sequence
TanGeng [1d?\]: the f16 push looks really harsh
saru411 [4k\]: Deich please come to my cloned game
Majismo [3d?\]: 10 min for what?
Lynx [2d\]: Over9k:  BEGONE! No evil starbucks magic here!
Deich [5k\]: sure he has to play to defend d7 strone
Majismo [3d?\]: entire game?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: for the game
purpose [3k\]: come to saru411 game and let's sort it out, but I very confident the cut doesn't threaten black to die
Bruno5940 [16k\]: for the rest oft he game
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: but that wasnt in the sequence
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: so if he plays there then he doesnt play a4
USGO1 [-\]: When this is completed, we will resume board 1 of the Ing tournament, in which Mingjiu is also playing.
Majismo [3d?\]: byomi?
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be white A15 for life
Advanced [1k\]: well, the SE never lies
Singer [10k\]: Who is the opponent in the ing tournament?
Lynx [2d\]: So this Mingjiu is playing 2 tournaments at once?
Advanced [1k\]: w + 17.5
kuikentje [5k\]: ouch. poor Mingjiu
jankenpopp: i dont know how ming jiu jiang doesnt need time to rest
Bruno5940 [16k\]: im pretty sure the is no byomi
jankenpopp: these games are far from easy
Advanced [1k\]: for us
kuikentje [5k\]: and they are like 4 hours each
Advanced [1k\]: not for him :P
USGO1 [-\]: many of the Ing players are playing the Open as well; actually, most I think
jajando: B has 2 ways passive S12 , S14 life
yonigo [15k\]: k15?
jajando: and active M15
Singer [10k\]: Who is ming's opponent in the ing game?
jajando: L14
XY0908 [-\]: Most pros play Go while on vacation.
Deich [5k\]: ukashus lets clone it 
yonigo [15k\]: k15
Gay [4d\]: jajando why not just q11
XY0908 [-\]: Most pro golf players also play golf on their vacations.
blackness2 [1d\]: i dont like s14 that much
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh is his Ing opponent
blackness2 [1d\]: as a "passive way
Singer [10k\]: thanks
Bruno5940 [16k\]: how are the stones at j2 dead
jajando: you forgot about big yose S14
fly [1k\]: I b a bit ahead in current territory?
joelw [12k\]: w can't kill o16 group w/1 move tho, r?
TanGeng [1d?\]: j2 stones are alive
Gay [4d\]: well but sente life is better ^^
]
;B[kd]C[Rocker [4d\]: oh
Bruno5940 [16k\]: but the score estimate says the stones are dead 4 some reason
Bruno5940 [16k\]: i thought i misread
lubricated [5k\]: well its not right
Bruno5940 [16k\]: oh
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: thats because the SE is wrong
Deich [5k\]: SE is often wrong
kuikentje [5k\]: the score estimator is not better than you at reading out life and death
kuikentje [5k\]: so don't trust it blindly
Rocker [4d\]: b doesnt want w j17 to happen , looks smart
Yanick [16k\]: nope, it just gives a global estimate
Gay [4d\]: i believe in SE
jandrews [1k\]: SE isn't wrong.  It lies.  I have a theory that it only ever tells the truth so that you'll believe it sometimers when it lies
Aimless [1k\]: It's not?  Man... why have I been taking lessons from SE then.
calgacus [?\]: an attempt to protect top and right at same time
Yanick [16k\]: for now, b doesn't look too good
fly [1k\]: where will w pick up the needed points?
Rocker [4d\]: this game very slow but a lot of effort on each move!!!!!! 
jajando: right Rocker :)
Deich [5k\]: maybe the cut at f6 is not godd but e6 g6 dosnt kill black
Soromon [1d\]: m18 profit
joelw [12k\]: l18 next?
IchiHeiwa [9k\]: J8
holynec [2k?\]: do you burn a lot of calories thinking? :k
SunnyD [3d\]: M15
Rocker [4d\]: jajan , r u ten sensei?
fly [1k\]: Must w start a fight to catch up?
purpose [3k\]: deich: I told you, f6 g6 e6 h7 
lubricated [5k\]: is b alive in corner?
]
;W[id]C[Yanick [16k\]: time??
]
;B[ic]
;W[le]
;B[pi]C[fly [1k\]: I'd guess b has 5 minutes, w 20
Rocker [4d\]: finally j16 hehe
Soromon [1d\]: now black makes life and white gets sente
]
;W[pj]C[Rocker [4d\]: s12!
Deich [5k\]: h7 g5 still a cut
USGO1 [-\]: black has 5 minutes, white has 32
lubricated [5k\]: mingjiu good at time
Rocker [4d\]: s13?
Yanick [16k\]: al of a sudden, b looks better
purpose [3k\]: no g5 g4 h5 h4 black stones trapped
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: but early on he plays slower
]
;B[rh]
;W[aq]
;B[ap]C[Deich [5k\]: h4 h6 and?
]
;W[ar]
;B[cq]C[Yanick [16k\]: d2....
purpose [3k\]: and then black is trapped, either die or give w plenty of thickness
lubricated [5k\]: t11
Deich [5k\]: id say b splits
Yanwangye [-\]: h12?
Uberdude [2d\]: these games make even my kgs games look fast
Rocker [4d\]: l18
Uberdude [2d\]: mingjiu will be tired by the end of today
fada [2k\]: L5
Javaness [-\]: come on, they're not that slow uberdude
Yanick [16k\]: this makes me lookblitz, and I like my time
]
;W[kb]C[Uberdude [2d\]: twice my main time
Yanick [16k\]: actually Javaness, they are that slow
Hoole3 [9k\]: why is w taking so long to think?
Rocker [4d\]: muhahahaha
calgacus [?\]: they are counting and recounting
acellist1 [5k\]: they read and count so much
silver2k4 [-\]: no ur too fas
silver2k4 [-\]: t
Uberdude [2d\]: Hoole3, because they want to play good mvoes
lob: they probably read til the end already
lob: lol
Laeme [2d?\]: if they would have read till the end, they would surely play faster now :P
Yanick [16k\]: they might actually have
Yanick [16k\]: true
mitani7: w+0.5
jajando: nice :)
Yanick [16k\]: nice
kuikentje [5k\]: maybe they re-read untill the end
Yanick [16k\]: w must be happy for komi
silver2k4 [-\]: who did not, at this stage read to the end?
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;B[be]C[cwapface [21k?\]: which one of these guys is channeling the spirit of an ancient go master
lob: they'd reread every turn... til the end lol
Yanick [16k\]: maybe they read til the end, and with every move re-read til end
catamutu [2d\]: i think black wins
jajando: prev cut, take terrytory and attack b terr
pipedream [2d?\]: b15 is big
catamutu [2d\]: I will bet on black If I will ahve too
catamutu [2d\]: :)
Rocker [4d\]: g15 fur show!!
Slug [2k\]: every single turn they reread until the end
]
;W[ge]C[jajando: :)
]
;B[hd]C[Slug [2k\]: so lets repeat that as often as possible
Hoole3 [9k\]: b15 really hurt w
Yanick [16k\]: Rocker clap* clap*
silver2k4 [-\]: no they reread and recount
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: this is it I think.. dans critic me if I am wrong
Slug [2k\]: every single move silver?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white doesnt look good
joelw [12k\]: w opportunity
silver2k4 [-\]: sure
Hylebos [4k\]: Can kyus critic you as well?  :)
Slug [2k\]: so they reread every single move every game?
calgacus [?\]: i make w a little ahead
Rocker [4d\]: k18
Advanced [1k\]: w seems fine
Hoole3 [9k\]: i dont understand how a 3p can beat a 7p?
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;W[rf]C[trebleclef [4k\]: s3
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;B[rg]
;W[se]C[Advanced [1k\]: because all pros are very strong
Hylebos [4k\]: Hoole, its simple, pro ranks don't neccesarily corelate to strength.
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Beanbag [2d\]: do u gota call it criticism if u are simply be corrected? wen i get corrected i dont feel criticised
silver2k4 [-\]: its not like a 9k vs 5k
purpose [3k\]: hoole: pro rank defines achievements, not strength
GeorgeW [-\]: And really, why can't a 3d beat a 7d, or 7k beat a 3k
Hylebos [4k\]: It deals with how well they do in tournaments.
Alenchon [6k\]: kinda like a baseball game where the Pirates beat the Mets
GeorgeW [-\]: *time Hylebos
Hoole3 [9k\]: then once you hit p then it dosn't really matter
Rocker [4d\]: now b will k18
Yanick [16k\]: somehow, with kyu, the difference seems smaller
silver2k4 [-\]: 3d beat a 7d? hm, may could happen
GeorgeW [-\]: Lee sedol was 3p for the longest time
Laeme [2d?\]: you can be a really strong 3p, you can't be a really weak 7p (well, except if you're retired)
USGO1 [-\]: white has 27 minutes remaining...
Hylebos [4k\]: But a 7k beat a 3k?  Thats a bit outlandish.
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;B[jb]C[USGO1 [-\]: black has 2
GeorgeW [-\]: Why is that outlandish?
jandrews [1k\]: even back when pro ranks were supposed to be a direct measure of strength - 3 ranks was about 1 stone difference
Yanick [16k\]: thanks USGO1
Rocker [4d\]: muhaahahah see??
Hylebos [4k\]: Only a joke :)
]
;W[kc]
;B[ie]
;W[ke]C[Rocker [4d\]: my yose is pro!
Hoole3 [9k\]: I still think that b can pull of this win
lob: why are wins counted differently on the score sheet
Yanick [16k\]: O_O
Uberdude [2d\]: k13 ?
]
;B[je]C[silver2k4 [-\]: my yose is contra
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: hehe
Hoole3 [9k\]: only white seems so relaxed
Lilltiger [1d\]: w is wining now, seems to have a much stronger yose
Rocker [4d\]: s3
truesaint [2k\]: how big is s2?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: and also b is in byo yomi soon so w will be able to read more
lookfar [1d\]: isn't k13 necessary?
XY0908 [-\]: L8 then L6?
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: 30 second byo yomi probably wont be enough for b
Yanick [16k\]: nope
joelw [12k\]: h11
Rocker [4d\]: ah
Rocker [4d\]: yeah k13
Yanick [16k\]: he's lucky that it's 5 periods, probably ca last for 1 extra turn
silver2k4 [-\]: cant play s3 he must first reread and recount till end
Rocker [4d\]: i forgot the group
Soromon [1d\]: i'm thinking k13 also - white can't afford to be chased out of the top left
Yanick [16k\]: true
topfar [1d\]: Is B keading?
Hoole3 [9k\]: I think b can kill w top group
Yanick [16k\]: the re-reading counting and stuff can't take as long as 30 seconds right? xD
Hoole3 [9k\]: if white dosnt connect to center group
Beanbag [2d\]: both b and w is keading
Deich [5k\]: top groups is soo alive
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: k13 easy connect tho...
truesaint [2k\]: don't like K13 shape
Hoole3 [9k\]: yeah i just saw that
revival [2d\]: kind of surprising how few stones have been played in the center this late in the game
truesaint [2k\]: H11 or something 
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;W[rq]C[topfar [1d\]: B is ahead!
]
;B[rp]
;W[rr]C[Deich [5k\]: rocker^
Rocker [4d\]: oh
silver2k4 [-\]: hah!
Richdad [5d\]: k13 is best shape
Rocker [4d\]: hehehe
Beanbag [2d\]: now b gets there
silver2k4 [-\]: he just finished the reread and recount in 3 mins
lookfar [1d\]: need points
joelw [12k\]: k12
lookfar [1d\]: ready to run
jajando: now w is better...
Deich [5k\]: f6
jajando: but :)
Yanick [16k\]: B takes too long...
USGO1 [-\]: black 1 minute left
parapluie: w has 4 corners. he wins
USGO1 [-\]: white 24
Yanick [16k\]: >.< no good voor b
Beanbag [2d\]: maby h12
Yanick [16k\]: ty USGO1
USGO1 [-\]: yw
kuikentje [5k\]: black should take his time
mitani7: I think that white will take the center and win
miao [5d\]: the one who takes the last corner loses
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin actually sighed... been so calm and quiet thoroughout
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;B[ho]C[silver2k4 [-\]: white can has 8 times reread and recount left, black less than 1
Yanick [16k\]: If one has 4 corners black loses right
Rocker [4d\]: with f4 not alive yet isnt k13 a bit dangerous for w?
Beanbag [2d\]: neather seem to care a whole lot about e15 grupe
Richdad [5d\]: really doubt so ricker
Richdad [5d\]: rocker
Uberdude [2d\]: shouldn't b play d2?
truesaint [2k\]: they know something we don't :) 
Richdad [5d\]: it would seem there is a lot of space
jajando:  very ineteresting yose started
silver2k4 [-\]: it doesnt even comes to kuo's mind to may able to kill ming jiu
Soromon [1d\]: white can always descend to e1 threatening g1, then d2 to make life
Hoole3 [9k\]: I agree with truesaint
HowToLose [5k\]: g7 looks solid
Richdad [5d\]: no he cant soromon
Bruno5940 [16k\]: where
Richdad [5d\]: b is out
lookfar [1d\]: w has to protect against f6
taizen [?\]: what is the komi?
Richdad [5d\]: e2 is no longer sente
Hoole3 [9k\]: they have an ace in the hole move
Richdad [5d\]: e1*
Richdad [5d\]: still the e1 f1 exchange does nothing
kukulis4 [2d\]: black threatens cut at F6
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: e1 f1 d2 alive
topfar [1d\]: W E2 group not live yet!
Richdad [5d\]: w cant play that now
Richdad [5d\]: and d2 is bs priviledge
Lynx [2d\]: this is a close game
Lynx [2d\]: but I think we all agree where the cigar glows.
jajando: also b K13 waiting
lookfar [1d\]: h7
Slug [2k\]: this is a lot of independent groups
taizen [?\]: komi 7.5?
Singer [10k\]: yes
Rocker [4d\]: h7 
FishOn [4k\]: komi is 8
FishOn [4k\]: ing rules
cwapface [21k?\]: 8.5
purpose [3k\]: what about h8 ?
calgacus [?\]: h8?
Yanick [16k\]: 8? unusual
nickwasy [12k\]: the  rules say 7.5
HowToLose [5k\]: FishOn: but ties go to black, so in effect it is 7.5
Yanick [16k\]: 6.5 right?
jajando: h7, g6!
Pinchilei [2d\]: why when you look at the rules they say AGA 7.5 then ?
Rocker [4d\]: h8 look lost in confusion
FishOn [4k\]: true  but komi still 8
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;W[hl]C[Jarudin [7k\]: rules differ per country
HowToLose [5k\]: wow
Rocker [4d\]: oops
HowToLose [5k\]: nice move
purpose [3k\]: yeay :)
Yanick [16k\]: nice
PadanFain [1d\]: 7p looks lost in confusion
USGO1 [-\]: black in byo  yomi
Rocker [4d\]: ahh 3k beat me.....
calgacus [?\]: helps top group
Yanick [16k\]: w tries claiming centre
USGO1 [-\]: white has 20 minutes
Singer [10k\]: Surely you could equally well say komi is seven and white wins in a draw
taizen [?\]: close game!
Singer [10k\]: Really, though, komi is 7.5 ;)
]
;B[dr]
;W[ds]C[revival [2d\]: if b plays the last dame, w has to give b a pass stone
HowToLose [5k\]: oh yeah
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
Lynx [2d\]: that's just that cool Singer
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: i count  w+about 3 if he lives everywhere
kuikentje [5k\]: I don't think these are ING rules FishOn
kuikentje [5k\]: I think this is the US open, and not the ING tournament
]
;B[gn]
;W[fn]C[Capsule [3d\]: yes this is the US Open
jajando: prepare for K13...
]
;B[fs]
;W[es]C[joelw [12k\]: *preparing
jajando: :)
lubricated [5k\]: b16
HowToLose [5k\]: f3 = better?
]
;B[hj]C[jandrews [1k\]: My understading was that AGA rules always produce the same result as Ing rules though
Rocker [4d\]: nice move
taizen [?\]: b B1 is sente
acellist1 [5k\]: w looks troubled
topfar [1d\]: W has two weak groups
lob: w might actually lose... o no
jajando: and now?
Hello [3k\]: are they chinese players?
Deich [5k\]: b1 is nonsens
HowToLose [5k\]: f9 looks fine to me
Rocker [4d\]: k13 fur sho!
joelw [12k\]: b1 wonot be non-sense if w gets surrounded :)
mitani7: h6
truesaint [2k\]: what does that mean, "fur sho" ? 
mitani7: w
Lynx [2d\]: b is gently squeezing the pimple - proverb
andrewgr [2k\]: f9 doesn't help d15 group
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: mingjiu is chinese
lob: b1 for b i think he meant
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;W[fk]C[taizen [?\]: b B1 is a ko threat to capture four stones :)
HowToLose [5k\]: Lynx: gently squeezing only hurts...squeezing hard gets rid of it
hakky [-\]: lol
Rocker [4d\]: !!!
kuikentje [5k\]: b1 for black is a good ko threat
HowToLose [5k\]: called it
kuikentje [5k\]: but not a good move otherwise
topfar [1d\]: B K13?
hakky [-\]: lol they still playing
hakky [-\]: who is winning
Capsule [3d\]: B
Rocker [4d\]: k13 like a man 
lob: seriously how's w gonna connect
USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods remaining for black
Soromon [1d\]: it's close
hakky [-\]: still b 
Soromon [1d\]: B under time pressure
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;B[ih]C[Rocker [4d\]: ouch
Yanick [16k\]: yup
jajando: u!
Lynx [2d\]: b attacks
Lynx [2d\]: nice
USGO1 [-\]: This is board 1 of the US Open.
isrdude: usgo, will i be able to download the kifu somewhere? 
Singer [10k\]: How are they resuming, when ming is still playing here?
acellist1 [5k\]: w looks dead
Lynx [2d\]: w looks et
Deich [5k\]: how much time w has left pls?
HowToLose [5k\]: Singer: simul, duh
Vash3G [-\]: you will be able to download the game record here: http://usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42
lob: simu against pros?
Rocker [4d\]: b is rebelling!! 
lob: funny
Yanick [16k\]: time??
Vash3G [-\]: this is the top board of the US Open Live from Portland, OR at the 2008 US Go Congress
catamutu [2d\]: black means business
Thelookout [7d?\]: k14
Rocker [4d\]: h12 
isrdude: ahh thank you very much, vash! i can now retire to bed and won't be half dead at work in 6 hours :)
Soromon [1d\]: white h12 first i think
lubricated [5k\]: k14 yes
Yanick [16k\]: how much time left??
hakky [-\]: h-12 is so bad
taizen [?\]: Pros like Mingjiu Jiang, Feng Yun, and Xuefen Lin don't play against pro competition much so their ranks are not solid
joelw [12k\]: b16 first
Capsule [3d\]: b12 does nothing except waste a ko threat
lob: b12...?
Capsule [3d\]: b16*
Deich [5k\]: b12 isnt allowd at all
Capsule [3d\]: sorry
acellist1 [5k\]: b12 a tough point to play on
truesaint [2k\]: lol b12
Jenghis [2k\]: does anyone see a way for white to escape?
Capsule [3d\]: :)
purpose [3k\]: this is so hard for w
Yoseki [3k\]: Jie Li is not playing?
Meepy [-\]: I don't see any escape
taizen [?\]: if w play B12 w lose immediately
parapluie: j13
Yanick [16k\]: What the TIME???? [/hysteric\]
PadanFain [1d\]: black byo yomi
PadanFain [1d\]: w 15min 
USGO1 [-\]: white has 15 minutes remaining
PadanFain [1d\]: or so
Rocker [4d\]: w needs h12 no matter what!!!!!!!!!!
HowToLose [5k\]: actually, b12 is vital sente, no?
hakky [-\]: they both go awfully long to the toilet
xedover [7k?\]: 5 min later than the last time you asked
USGO1 [-\]: black has 4 byo yomi periods of 30 seconds
joelw [12k\]: w going to need byo-yomi to respond to this one
lubricated [5k\]: w lives.
rmexico [10k\]: h13
Yanick [16k\]: ty USGO1 =D
lubricated [5k\]: d12 makes complications, maybe even a ko
lob: lol hope b mistakes a mistake
jajando: H12 is ok
lubricated [5k\]: d12, h12 c14
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;W[hh]C[lubricated [5k\]: never mind GOD
purpose [3k\]: h12 should do it, connect with bottom left
Rocker [4d\]: see , its a must move 
]
;B[ii]C[theremin [1k\]: W connects
hakky [-\]: losing move
HowToLose [5k\]: try d12 c14 
purpose [3k\]: but
lubricated [5k\]: c14 does nothing
lubricated [5k\]: i just realized
purpose [3k\]: b is goign to make some profit out of it
purpose [3k\]: this is so bad for w ..
Lynx [2d\]: g11
Rocker [4d\]: g11
truesaint [2k\]: f11 
og [10k\]: winner, i called a 2d-4d move
USGO1 [-\]: black missed hitting his clock and lost another period
Yoseki [3k\]: next roung: Ge against winner of this
hakky [-\]: k-13
truesaint [2k\]: ouchie
lubricated [5k\]: oh man lol
rmexico [10k\]: k13
kuikentje [5k\]: ouch.
rmexico [10k\]: ?
lob: lol this is entertaining
rmexico [10k\]: j13
lubricated [5k\]: i wish i was there
lob: only if there was video feed...
HowToLose [5k\]: k14 j14 j13 k13 k12 l14 h11 j10 f11?
Rocker [4d\]: w might be in real danger
edlee [3k\]: UGSO, are the stones dry? Any perspiration?
Turakamu [4k\]: F11
Yoseki [3k\]: next, Black kicks his closk and loses yet *another* period
USGO1 [-\]: white resigns
Lynx [2d\]: I feel peace.
kuikentje [5k\]: T.T
Jarudin [7k\]: g11 for w?
Beanbag [2d\]: w eated
catamutu [2d\]: white is in real danger
truesaint [2k\]: seriously ? white resigned ?
purpose [3k\]: wow
lob: not anymore
hakky [-\]: anti-climax
purpose [3k\]: nice
Alenchon [6k\]: resigns?
joelw [12k\]: white really resigned?
lookfar [1d\]: w dead
Soromon [1d\]: white sealed in
Capsule [3d\]: wrecked.
kuikentje [5k\]: yes, pretty large anti-climax
USGO1 [-\]: thank you all for watching.
parapluie: god is dead
Lynx [2d\]: W like a ship that crashed
purpose [3k\]: well he actually can't connect ..
lob: another top player goes down...
Uberdude [2d\]: gg
Ophelia [8k?\]: thankyou USGO1
Rocker [4d\]: g11 g10 f11 e11
jajando: goodnight :)
lob: this tourney is intense
USGO1 [-\]: keep an eye on this account for the resumption of ING table 1, round 2
joelw [12k\]: thx
carpenter [6k\]: thx
Yanick [16k\]: damn nice game
USGO1 [-\]: probably a break first.
kuikentje [5k\]: oh man, I wanted to see the continuation of this yose
lookfar [1d\]: k13 was necessary...
Chris929 [14k\]: thanks USGO1
Rocker [4d\]: uh w resigned?
USGO1 [-\]: mingjiu says in territory white's okay
kuikentje [5k\]: any idea who would have been ahead?
Soromon [1d\]: k13 neccessary because d18 was made of Win
Yanick [16k\]: thanks for reporting everything USGO1
lookfar [1d\]: thanks USGO
rmexico [10k\]: k13 useless
taizen [?\]: it's not yose with two white weak groups
rmexico [10k\]: b cuts
USGO1 [-\]: you're welcome, and thanks for watching.
purpose [3k\]: k13 before j12
theremin [1k\]: thx usgo1
lookfar [1d\]: k13 instead of s3
Yanick [16k\]: it was my pleasure watching
Rocker [4d\]: like i said....... s3 is big but w defence at k13 was normal
DonValley [4d\]: who won?
DonValley [4d\]: w died right?/
rmexico [10k\]: yeah
Yanick [16k\]: black won
theremin [1k\]: yes
rmexico [10k\]: no shit
Jarudin [7k\]: I don't think w is dead
DonValley [4d\]: ack
Yanick [16k\]: white resigned
edgarcae [1d\]: w res?
theremin [1k\]: sure it is jarudin
theremin [1k\]: yes
edgarcae [1d\]: really?
theremin [1k\]: W dead
theremin [1k\]: yes
Jarudin [7k\]: using g11 w can play d12 then c14/b14 to live at the top
edgarcae [1d\]: ok
catamutu [2d\]: in pro games big group die:D
kukulis4 [2d\]: b+r ?
catamutu [2d\]: not so pro after all
Jarudin [7k\]: I was actually amazed at the simplicity of the moves
Jarudin [7k\]: especially in the beginning
theremin [1k\]: d12 is not a threat for B
fairgo1 [10k\]: who won?
Yanick [16k\]: Black
Jarudin [7k\]: I was really worried for both wether they had enough points :p
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